Genuinely want to know why trans rights trump womens?

[Devilsmommy]

I've been reading alot on here about all the different aspects of the trans debate. So firstly my view is that merely stating you're a different sex does not make it so. I don't have any issue with people wanting to change gender but I am very worried about the possibility of being made to share single sex spaces with men who say they're women. So my question is for the trans women who are genuinely changing their whole identity to become a woman, via surgery and hormones. If those trans women say they don't feel safe using the male spaces, do they really believe it's right that a whole section of the population, ie women, should be made to feel just as unsafe because of their life choice. Why do trans women's rights trump womens rights? I'm genuinely flabbergasted that it's even got this far and we women are having to fight for a very basic right not to feel uncomfortable in vulnerable situations like changing rooms, toilets etc.

'Best Before 10 December 2024'.

They needed eating up.

And as I posted that and trekked across the landing to the loo, I heard from the foot of the stairs an inarticulate Neanderthal grunt which conveyed the meaning "Oh are you going to the loo, because I want to go," Fresh from thinking about men trumping women, I cheerily responded that I wouldn't be long and took possession.
He's a decent chap and with the right attitude to the trans business. but still there is an underlying assumption that when there's a conflict of needs, he goes first. Odd. Not as strong as an assumption.

Reckless AND disobedient.

Re the peanuts, not the toilet queue jumping.

They betray because of their personal pathology, which has been culturally inculcated as well as developed by family background. They desperately want approval, especially male approval. But it's not just about internalized misogyny and the usual raging daddy issues. They also want the security of being one of the "in" crowd, and since this ideology is in fashion, they embrace it. They are by nature conformists who pretend to be the opposite.
These are the same kind of women who admonish other women for "kink shaming" when we speak up about the brutality of men in (nominally) consensual sex and porn. The men they want approval from are phoney, self-serving liberal lefty types, so this is the way it's done. Otoh, if women like that want approval from right wing Christian men, they attack trans ideology for all the wrong reasons.

These are the kind of women who'll fuck their best friend's husband and then try to claim it was a feminist statement when caught. Some call them libfems. They are neither truly liberal nor feminist. They're actually ideologically empty and out only for themselves, though they can and do parrot ideology to suit their agenda.
However, some of the trans ideologues are sincere, just misguided. They are not the ones who lecture other women though. You won't find them playing infantile "gotcha!" games with GC feminists. It's the competitive, viperous pick-mes who do that.

@XChrome best summary of so-called liberal feminism I've seen in ages. It's dick-pandering all the way. Usually using other women as the victims.

They betray because of their personal pathology, which has been culturally inculcated as well as developed by family background. They desperately want approval, especially male approval.

Yeah agreed, I used to be like this myself, thankfully no more.

Poor, poor Sarah. If you are still here and still reading, I've not forgotten you.

ArabellaScott · Yesterday 20:13

I'm thinking baby elephant.

Like this?

https://x.com/schuld_eth/status/1802402874854662169

Or maybe this?

https://x.com/its_jessi_grace/status/1805949134874063157

Ah,the crap I could get away with if I was that cute.

I regularly spam my daughter with videos of unbearably cute animals. I make no apologies!

I've seen it in the playground even with four year olds. Boys shoving into the line wherever they want to go, and the girls giving ground and getting out of their way. Even at that age it's established that penis = dominance and entitlement.

There's a thread 2? Jesus the OP must be a glutton for punishment.

I think it was a different OP who wanted to "continue the debate". Anyway that's finished too and so far a third hasn't appeared that I've seen.

However, some of the trans ideologues are sincere, just misguided. They are not the ones who lecture other women though.

Yes, these are the female friends I have who are pro transgenderism. They are terrified to think about it in any depth because they are afraid of being bad people and hurting someone. Ironically they are tacitly supporting a movement that hurts women and girls and confused people who identify as trans.

And that failure to obey means they will hurt you.

Men, at bottom its that simple, no matter what complications are added to distract or gaslight you.

@Omlettes from all the posts on my thread I've definitely seen that being a man is still better, even one wearing a dress😒

All I can do really is totally agree with you. We NEED our own spaces. Not simply because we use toilets in a different way to people with pee-pees but because we need to be safe. We have all run into a Ladies toilet at some point in our lives to get away from such people, and that right should never be taken from us.

@NPET I've never thought about that situation before. That we've all ran to a ladies toilets to escape someone because they are a safe female space. I know I've done it before, wonder how many other women have🤔 running into one and coming across a transwoman would instantly kill that safety vibe for definite

I realised the other day at a popular theatre venue how ridiculous it is to have 'gender neutral' and men

And that's it

Do women not exist as a sex class anymore? wtf

And the men were in and out quickly and we were all waiting for ages with fewer facilities. All for males to enter. Absolute madness. I don't know why we all say ok

I guess the reason for "men" and "gender neutral" is to allow urinals in the "men's"?
But that's doubley self defeating - when it comes to separate sex spaces it's more important for us to have one than for men to. (Not being sexist, I don't imagine many men need to use the Gents as a way of escaping women!)
And, if they're simply concerned about the provision of facilities, I don't know about you but I'm certainly not going to be freaked out seeing a man or boy using a urinal!

Exactly. As a 20 year old "conventionally attractive" (so they say) woman, I've had cause to escape the (shall we say) nozzle-bearing members of society by ducking into a female space, and I certainly wouldn't take kindly to meeting one in there, however he felt about his body.

I would say "particularly at that age". I can well remember my brother aged 4 or 5 and producing his whenever he felt the need. My sister & I would look on with a mixture of hilarity and wonder at just why he felt it made him important.

And here we go again:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13975235/Fury-schools-transgender-teachers-allowed-female-toilets-showers.html

The National Governance Association - which runs training for school governors and trustees - has made the suggestion in its equality and diversity course. In a 'fair access' module, it says that schools must allow trans teachers to use 'all toilet and shower facilities' suitable for the gender they identify with.

Thus completely ignoring the SSE clause of the Equality Act.

The comments seem to disagree quite strongly with the edict.

One word, three letter;

MEN.