Genuinely want to know why trans rights trump womens?

[Devilsmommy]

I've been reading alot on here about all the different aspects of the trans debate. So firstly my view is that merely stating you're a different sex does not make it so. I don't have any issue with people wanting to change gender but I am very worried about the possibility of being made to share single sex spaces with men who say they're women. So my question is for the trans women who are genuinely changing their whole identity to become a woman, via surgery and hormones. If those trans women say they don't feel safe using the male spaces, do they really believe it's right that a whole section of the population, ie women, should be made to feel just as unsafe because of their life choice. Why do trans women's rights trump womens rights? I'm genuinely flabbergasted that it's even got this far and we women are having to fight for a very basic right not to feel uncomfortable in vulnerable situations like changing rooms, toilets etc.

It's fucking disgusting that what you say is true 😞

For TW it is because they have been socialised as boys/ men. They expect preferential treatment. Women must concede rights, safe spaces, the words we use to describe our material biological reality, even the collective noun used to describe us becomes theirs. For some allies and TRA it is misogyny- the perfect way to turn back the clock on women’s rights and cancel us. For others, especially handmaidens, it is the irresistible lure of righteousness and virtuousness.

Yes, for some it is a massive turn on. Called autogynophelia.

True, it’s much easier to tick the diversity boxes if you can use middle aged white men to get you there, then you don’t have to offer any accommodations that might actually cost money or affect productivity like you’d have to if you employed women or disabled people.

Men don't take kindly to being told No by women.

They are actually furious with us and in a civilised society they are struggling to hide that.

Yep. I have personal experience of a tw being offered a third space and refusing. It's not validating enough.

Because not only do many male humans think that female humans are nothing more than partially-sentient support bipeds for servicing male desires because only males are full actual people, but many female humans think the same too.

Female humans are allowed to have partial sentience in order that they may be scolded, guilted and terrorised into providing the required level of service with the appropriate level of adoring subservience.

A large proportion of the scolding and guilting is delivered by other female humans, presumably because those female humans' only source of power (having gifted almost all in service of the full actual people) is in trying to pull other female humans down onto the grovelling position with them.

A large proportion of the terrorising though, is delivered by the male humans. Because they get off on it.

Men's rights have always trumped women's rights.

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As the mother of a disabled person, I thank you.

Yep. I have personal experience of a tw being offered a third space and refusing. It's not validating enough.

Did you see IW posting a video on X about IW's intent to have a shit in a female toilet? Why the hell would you feel the need to post publicly about that? Apparently it is validating? Go figure.

And a man can't "become a woman".

Also reflect that third spaces would be full of the consenting women who are happy to use mixed sex spaces alongside men.

Those women won't do. The desired goal is the non consenting women.

I bet it was a forty five minute shit too.

I know, I did explain that upthread

I know somebody whose ex husband is like that. He insisted he was a woman, started dressing as one and demanded his wife participate in sex where his fantasy was the star of the show with, of course, nothing in it for her.
His reason for believing he was a woman was he liked to be dominated sexually, so he must be a woman, because "all women love to be dominated." 🤢
He had the surgery, found out that as a woman he was too ugly to get either a man or a woman to dominate him, then was stuck because he couldn't afford to change back.
He treated my friend horrendously, cheated incessantly, and is in general a vile piece of shit, so we have a good laugh at his predicament.
Last she heard he was selling off all his possessions to try to get the money.

That's awful your friend had to deal with that. These men really are the worst.

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Apologies Devilsmommy.

My issue is that I really feel we need to be careful with language here and especially if we are trying to get straight answers from politicians. We are talking about biological men and keeping them out of women's spaces. As soon as we buy into the language and say "transwomen" we're drawn into a discussion about trans, gender identity, sex change, gender realignment surgery etc. Transwomen are men and men should not be in women's spaces.

My pleasure, I am also the mother of a disabled person

I completely agree with you. People need to start realising that though you can call yourself whatever you like, you really can't change your sex. I don't understand how that's such a hard thing to realise 🤷

It frustrates the life out of me! If I could interview Keir Starmer I'd ask him his stance on biological men entering female only spaces and let him explain to me how biological men are sometimes women.

The problem is that he would explain to you how some men are, and 99.9% of women don't have penises but some do, he's done it many times.

We need journalists to stop handing him that rope. Go instead to 'what do you intend to do for the women excluded from women's spaces because they cannot use mixed sex provisions regardless of how the men there identify'.

And 'why are you concerned about the indignity of a man having to fill out a piece of paperwork but not about the indignity of women being expected to take off their clothes in front of him to show 'respect' for his identity? Where is the reciprocal respect? Isn't having to get undressed in front of someone you perceive as the opposite sex a very serious humiliation to expect women to agree to?'

It does not matter how sad or vulnerable or extreme those men's needs are. The answer cannot ever involve harming and subordinating women.

That is such a good point.

I completely agree with you and those are great questions. Although Stramer saying 99.9 % of women don't have penises but some do doesn't explain to me how a biological man is a woman. I really wish a journalist (or preferably Jane) would push him on this.

My thought process is take it back to biological men in women's spaces and stop the transwomen stuff. The trans stuff gives them the space to start the people born into the wrong body spiel. We're concerned with women and their safety and dignity.

Watching this post predictably develop, I am surprised none of you have argued for capital punishment or mass deportation, yet. It would be in keeping.