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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trans identified man sues McDonalds for being denied access to women’s changing rooms

132 replies

SamW98 · 29/06/2024 08:47

https://reduxx.info/exclusive-details-german-trans-identified-male-sues-mcdonalds-after-being-denied-access-to-womens-changing-room/

And with the totally batshit laws in place in Germany, he’ll probably win.

EXCLUSIVE DETAILS: German Trans-Identified Male Sues McDonald's After Being Denied Access to Women's Changing Room - Reduxx

A trans-identified male and former drag queen residing in Berlin is currently involved in litigation against McDonald’s after alleging he was denied access to the changing room intended for female employees. Kylie Divon, 27, also known as Keil Li, is s...

https://reduxx.info/exclusive-details-german-trans-identified-male-sues-mcdonalds-after-being-denied-access-to-womens-changing-room

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ArabellaScott · 29/06/2024 17:17

ArabellaScott · 29/06/2024 09:13

“I got reactions from cis women looking at me like, ‘Why am I there?’ I don’t need you to tell me if I’m a woman or not. I got a b*tch that turned her eyes into a scanner… and the only creatures that were actually smiling at me back were men.”

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I need to clarify! That quote was the chap talking about a Women's Day march, not his use of the McDonald's changing room. Full quote:

'On March 9, Divon took to Instagram to complain about his experience at a Women’s Day demonstration, which is recognized internationally on May 8. “There were women in the street with signs, and I was just walking, feeling good, like, oh my god, it’s our day, amazing! When you feel good about yourself and feel happy and feel beautiful, you walk with a smile on your face,” he said.

“I got reactions from cis women looking at me like, ‘Why am I there?’ I don’t need you to tell me if I’m a woman or not. I got a b*tch that turned her eyes into a scanner… and the only creatures that were actually smiling at me back were men.”

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DuesToTheDirt · 29/06/2024 19:54

Oh my word, I'd seen this case on other threads but this is the first time I've seen a picture. He's not aiming for a quiet life, is he?!

SamW98 · 29/06/2024 19:59

ArabellaScott · 29/06/2024 17:17

I need to clarify! That quote was the chap talking about a Women's Day march, not his use of the McDonald's changing room. Full quote:

'On March 9, Divon took to Instagram to complain about his experience at a Women’s Day demonstration, which is recognized internationally on May 8. “There were women in the street with signs, and I was just walking, feeling good, like, oh my god, it’s our day, amazing! When you feel good about yourself and feel happy and feel beautiful, you walk with a smile on your face,” he said.

“I got reactions from cis women looking at me like, ‘Why am I there?’ I don’t need you to tell me if I’m a woman or not. I got a b*tch that turned her eyes into a scanner… and the only creatures that were actually smiling at me back were men.”

Maybe I’m jumping to conclusions unfairly but I’d imagine seeing an adult male at a women’s day demonstration dressed up like a cross between a porn star and a blow up doll might get the odd stare or two.

And the smiles from the men were probably smirks

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ScrollingLeaves · 29/06/2024 20:15

SamW98 · 29/06/2024 19:59

Maybe I’m jumping to conclusions unfairly but I’d imagine seeing an adult male at a women’s day demonstration dressed up like a cross between a porn star and a blow up doll might get the odd stare or two.

And the smiles from the men were probably smirks

I like, “Bitch who turned her eyes into a scanner”. That is all too likely.

Brefugee · 30/06/2024 11:40

SamW98 · 29/06/2024 09:29

Yep. And this is one (amongst many) reasons that men will never understand being a woman.

When we’re getting changed most of us do it quickly, no eye contact, showing as little as possible - just get in get on get put. Whereas these men seem to think the women’s changing room is a place to flash their penis to as many women as possible causing as much discomfort as they can. But it’s not a fetish - of course not!

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don't forget that (here) in Germany nudity in women's gym changing rooms can be VERY different to what i think you do in the UK.

The one i go to, for eg, there is one changing with about 20 lockers, a bench in the middle, 2 sinks and a toilet (the only ladies' that isn't off the main equipment room (where the cross trainers etc are - so it's convenient if you're undressed and then need the loo.

there is a bigger locker room with about 40 lockers, more open, and next to that the showers - 4 showers with 2 showers on each side, with walls between the showers on each side, but there are no doors or curtains they're a bit like the ones we had at school. Women will often - not all of them - strip off, take their towel to the showers, get washed, dry off and walk back to the locker area. sometimes with their towel wrapped round their hair. They might then do body lotion (i have often been sitting tying up my shoes and a woman will be there with a leg up on the bench rubbing in skin lotion. Naked as a jaybird. They may still be naked when they are drying their hair.

The women's area doesn't actually have a door (except the smaller one) but it is at the end of a corridor around a bend and men are not allowed in. There is also a sauna that has mixed and single sex days, you have to check the schedule.

so, in theory there is a strong possiblity that if someone in our town wanted, they could identify as a woman and march right on in.

GrumpyPanda · 19/07/2024 10:34

So, McDonald's have now announced that once Self-ID is in place they'll be unwilling to exercise their "Hausrecht" to protect women employees from having to undress together with "Kylie." Would be super interesting to know what's been going on behind the scenes.

https://archive.ph/YVWzH

Brefugee · 19/07/2024 10:43

it will do wonders for my health that i will no longer use that place.

GrumpyPanda · 19/07/2024 10:56

Brefugee · 19/07/2024 10:43

it will do wonders for my health that i will no longer use that place.

I suppose it's not a boycott if one wasn't frequenting them anyway?

What this really needs is some solid counter-suits. In the Twitter thread discussing this one poster pointed out a conflict with the Arbeitsschutzgesetz.

Igmum · 19/07/2024 13:06

I feel sorry for the Muslim woman. This legislation is dreadful. From 'Kylie's' quote in the article @GrumpyPanda shared I wonder if he deliberately targeted her? (Rough translation 'Should a conservative religious woman be protected before me?')

Brefugee · 19/07/2024 14:09

GrumpyPanda · 19/07/2024 10:56

I suppose it's not a boycott if one wasn't frequenting them anyway?

What this really needs is some solid counter-suits. In the Twitter thread discussing this one poster pointed out a conflict with the Arbeitsschutzgesetz.

i go occasionally for a coffee (mostly at a station) so i'll just have to change that.

I'll check online here if anything is going on that i can join in

GrumpyPanda · 19/07/2024 14:14

Igmum · 19/07/2024 13:06

I feel sorry for the Muslim woman. This legislation is dreadful. From 'Kylie's' quote in the article @GrumpyPanda shared I wonder if he deliberately targeted her? (Rough translation 'Should a conservative religious woman be protected before me?')

No I don't think so. From previous reporting she was just the first one with the balls (ahem) to complain about him.

SamW98 · 19/07/2024 14:30

How did we get here? So sending a dick pic is quite rightly a criminal offence but call yourself Susan and every woman you come in contact with in a single sex setting has to accept seeing your cock and balls without question otherwise they're a bigoted transphobe who needs re educating?

Its fucking insanity

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quixote9 · 19/07/2024 16:55

ArabellaScott · 29/06/2024 09:13

“I got reactions from cis women looking at me like, ‘Why am I there?’ I don’t need you to tell me if I’m a woman or not. I got a b*tch that turned her eyes into a scanner… and the only creatures that were actually smiling at me back were men.”

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Reminds me of a female reporter (Hannah Allam? Don't remember. This was years ago.) talking of arriving in Saudi Arabia and having to get herself all swathed in black before she could leave the plane. She mentioned the glances and smirks of her male (Western) co-passengers.

Men smirk for all sorts of reasons. Putting one over on the little woman being a major one. You can bet the house that all the guys know perfectly well this is a dominance play.

MissPollysFitDolly · 19/07/2024 17:10

quixote9 · 19/07/2024 16:55

Reminds me of a female reporter (Hannah Allam? Don't remember. This was years ago.) talking of arriving in Saudi Arabia and having to get herself all swathed in black before she could leave the plane. She mentioned the glances and smirks of her male (Western) co-passengers.

Men smirk for all sorts of reasons. Putting one over on the little woman being a major one. You can bet the house that all the guys know perfectly well this is a dominance play.

Yes, I think a large number of Western men would quite like women to be put back into a more inferior place. They won't do much to help us, just like the men in Afghanistan who were mocking their female colleagues when the Taliban came back.

Brefugee · 19/07/2024 21:32

I always remember reading about the Iraq war (the Kuwait one) when a load of marines and military police (US) were at a bowling alley, and it was hot, so one of the women was wearing shorts. And the Kuwaiti police came up and started hitting her legs with batons and telling her to cover up and she just got out her pistol and said "we just saved your sorry asses, get the fuck out of here" and carried on

Omlettes · 19/07/2024 22:05

That face fgs.
What are humans doing to themselves, and who promotes this plastic misogyny - the media and marketing.
Unless we do something about them, then it will never stop.
I mostly blame the DM in this country and the constant tsunami of Katie Price and all her clones since the noughties. And porn, its a mobius strip of evil.

SquirrelSoShiny · 19/07/2024 22:08

Littlewhingingfucker · 29/06/2024 08:59

What a scary looking woman! belongs in nightmares, not in the ladies.

This to be honest! If I saw this photo in the wild I would honestly assume it was a Drag Race pic.

Treaclewell · 20/07/2024 16:11

I have been wondering how it uses that orifice (can't call it a mouth) for eating, drinking and talking. It looks like some sort of stoma.
And if that's an indication of how we are supposed to use our mouths, I would like to remind men of that scarey myth of the vagina dentata.

S1lverCandle · 20/07/2024 16:15

ArabellaScott · 29/06/2024 09:13

“I got reactions from cis women looking at me like, ‘Why am I there?’ I don’t need you to tell me if I’m a woman or not. I got a b*tch that turned her eyes into a scanner… and the only creatures that were actually smiling at me back were men.”

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The ladies loo full of smiling men?!

ArabellaScott · 20/07/2024 16:33

S1lverCandle · 20/07/2024 16:15

The ladies loo full of smiling men?!

This was him talking about being on a women's march.

Catsmere · 21/07/2024 10:25

MissPollysFitDolly · 19/07/2024 17:10

Yes, I think a large number of Western men would quite like women to be put back into a more inferior place. They won't do much to help us, just like the men in Afghanistan who were mocking their female colleagues when the Taliban came back.

That's why this has taken off. It's a massive pushback against women's rights, and they can pretend they're just supporting these poor helpless vulnerable TW.

Delphin · 21/07/2024 15:00

Igmum · 19/07/2024 13:06

I feel sorry for the Muslim woman. This legislation is dreadful. From 'Kylie's' quote in the article @GrumpyPanda shared I wonder if he deliberately targeted her? (Rough translation 'Should a conservative religious woman be protected before me?')

Maybe. Kylie came to Germany from Libya*, so getting one over a muslim woman asking for consideration of her dignity might give extra points...

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SamW98 · 29/06/2024 09:33

At the bottom of that article there’s a link to another delightful German man suing for not being allowed access to naked women - doesn’t he look a delight. And I have a feeling he might be identifying as a different age as well as gender

reduxx.info/germany-balding-trans-identified-male-now-demanding-e2500-from-womens-gym-after-being-denied-access-to-showers/

My favourite quote from his interview...
"Apparently they categorically reject women who don’t fit the concept".
So being a woman is just a 'concept' now is it?