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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trans identified man sues McDonalds for being denied access to women’s changing rooms

132 replies

SamW98 · 29/06/2024 08:47

https://reduxx.info/exclusive-details-german-trans-identified-male-sues-mcdonalds-after-being-denied-access-to-womens-changing-room/

And with the totally batshit laws in place in Germany, he’ll probably win.

EXCLUSIVE DETAILS: German Trans-Identified Male Sues McDonald's After Being Denied Access to Women's Changing Room - Reduxx

A trans-identified male and former drag queen residing in Berlin is currently involved in litigation against McDonald’s after alleging he was denied access to the changing room intended for female employees. Kylie Divon, 27, also known as Keil Li, is s...

https://reduxx.info/exclusive-details-german-trans-identified-male-sues-mcdonalds-after-being-denied-access-to-womens-changing-room

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Datun · 29/06/2024 11:12

Charlize43 · 29/06/2024 11:03

Everything could be so simple if the law stated that trans women are women only after they've had the genital surgery, don't you think?

No. A man is still capable of intimidating a woman even though he doesn't have a penis.

Apart from anything else, you won't know. And also, society should not be encouraging men to mutilate themselves.

The point is, again, we are discussing the men. What can they do to secure access. What do they have to think, feel, perform, remove.

When the actual focus should be on the women. Women are not therapy for men! We are not there to validate their feelings, penis or no penis.

Women should have every right to their own sex specific space. It's not a space that is designed for men to fetishise in, validate themselves in.

It's for women. To bathe, shower, go to the toilet, deal with menstrual problems.

Men using vulnerable women in a state of undress, or going to the toilet doesn't get any more acceptable just because they've had surgery.

CheeseSandwichRiskAssessment · 29/06/2024 11:15

Is that true about "European law?"

Also I wonder what McDonald's thinks? I know they have a franchise model so it's possible HQ won't have anything to do with this.

Mrsdyna · 29/06/2024 11:30

God help us all for the next 5 years. I support that woman who told him to leave 100%

Mrsdyna · 29/06/2024 11:30

We should all recognise that Labour can't get into power without the votes of actual women.

SamW98 · 29/06/2024 11:34

Mrsdyna · 29/06/2024 11:30

God help us all for the next 5 years. I support that woman who told him to leave 100%

Absolutely. As as Muslim woman does DEI not include her?

Or do fetishist mens rights trump all?

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maudelovesharold · 29/06/2024 11:35

Give Labour 2 minutes in power, this is what's coming

Yup, you’ve been warned. Absolutely dreading next Thursday. Talk about between a rock and a hard place….

Mrsdyna · 29/06/2024 11:38

SamW98 · 29/06/2024 11:34

Absolutely. As as Muslim woman does DEI not include her?

Or do fetishist mens rights trump all?

For whatever reason the perpetrators are protected now, not the victims.

ScrollingLeaves · 29/06/2024 11:48

Mrsdyna · 29/06/2024 11:38

For whatever reason the perpetrators are protected now, not the victims.

No, Muslim women’s beliefs are not regarded as being of any consequence, but even though I am not Muslim, I absolutely cannot bear lack of privacy from men and not having that respected. It is a deep rooted visceral feeling on my part and I am sure many other’s.

Mrsdyna · 29/06/2024 11:54

ScrollingLeaves · 29/06/2024 11:48

No, Muslim women’s beliefs are not regarded as being of any consequence, but even though I am not Muslim, I absolutely cannot bear lack of privacy from men and not having that respected. It is a deep rooted visceral feeling on my part and I am sure many other’s.

I agree with you.

IamaRevenant · 29/06/2024 11:55

SamW98 · 29/06/2024 09:33

At the bottom of that article there’s a link to another delightful German man suing for not being allowed access to naked women - doesn’t he look a delight. And I have a feeling he might be identifying as a different age as well as gender

reduxx.info/germany-balding-trans-identified-male-now-demanding-e2500-from-womens-gym-after-being-denied-access-to-showers/

I genuinely thought that was my (extremely) predatory trans neighbour for a second. They look VERY similar and I can imagine him doing something like this (he's done worse tbh).

But no, my neighbour has more beard to go with his balding long locks and fetching little dresses 😬

A lot of these men are honestly just gross blokes who can't get a partner the usual way aren't they.

Emptyandsad · 29/06/2024 12:08

I don't know a single person, male or female, my age (60s) that thinks this situation is anything but batshit. Look at him! How can anyone think he should be in a women's shower?

There is a larger generational issue here. My children are divided on this, with my daughter (!) on the side of the TRAs and my sons on the side of women; but I know several young people who don't see the problem with someone being Michael on Mondays and Thursdays and Josephine for the rest of the week. It makes my head explode

I think plenty of men don't understand the physical threat that women live with every day - and hence the need for safe spaces. How women have to modify their behaviour to mitigate that threat; they can't even trust policemen, fgs

I think there are a range of reasons for people wanting to transition. But too many male to female wannabes have fetishised femininity and for them it's all part of a sexual kick - and therefore threatening to women. Their idea of womanhood is sexualised, and women to them are bimbos, pillowfights in the dorm and always, always "up for it"

I'm still voting labour; can't wait to see the back of this shower. Their policies are divisive and ill thought out, they're too incompetent to enact them anyway, despite their huge majority, and they're stupid, incompetent, venal and corrupt. We will deal with gender after the election.

Bloody hell, future generations will look back on us and wonder what drugs we were taking

WickedSerious · 29/06/2024 12:11

SamW98 · 29/06/2024 09:33

At the bottom of that article there’s a link to another delightful German man suing for not being allowed access to naked women - doesn’t he look a delight. And I have a feeling he might be identifying as a different age as well as gender

reduxx.info/germany-balding-trans-identified-male-now-demanding-e2500-from-womens-gym-after-being-denied-access-to-showers/

And they say we can never tell.

TeenagersAngst · 29/06/2024 12:19

OMG, the owner of the gym in the case of the balding transwoman actually wrote in her letter “It looks to my female customers as if I’m letting a man train there – at least as long as this lady is still equipped with male sexual organs.”

How can these words be written down and taken seriously by actual people with brains?

Deadringer · 29/06/2024 12:31

They really need to start making all mens changing rooms and toilets unisex/non binary. It's the only way to offer everyone a facility and to keep women and girls safe.

PorcelinaV · 29/06/2024 12:33

Deadringer · 29/06/2024 12:31

They really need to start making all mens changing rooms and toilets unisex/non binary. It's the only way to offer everyone a facility and to keep women and girls safe.

While males aren't threatened by females in an equivalent way, you could still argue for the importance of privacy.

oakleaffy · 29/06/2024 12:35

That's a terrifying XY. No wonder XX were alarmed at the XY entering an XX space.

PorcelinaV · 29/06/2024 12:36

According to the BBC, the new German law still allows limits to the use of spaces, but I don't know what the details of the law are like.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68801392

Person walking past a trans flag

Germany eases gender change rules

Adults can now declare a change to male, female or diverse without undergoing a psychiatric assessment.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68801392

oakleaffy · 29/06/2024 12:37

WickedSerious · 29/06/2024 12:11

And they say we can never tell.

Women can ALWAYS tell.
We sense it many metres away.

We know instinctively what a man is.

oakleaffy · 29/06/2024 12:39

ScrollingLeaves · 29/06/2024 11:48

No, Muslim women’s beliefs are not regarded as being of any consequence, but even though I am not Muslim, I absolutely cannot bear lack of privacy from men and not having that respected. It is a deep rooted visceral feeling on my part and I am sure many other’s.

It is indeed a ''Visceral'' response.

Deadringer · 29/06/2024 12:41

PorcelinaV · 29/06/2024 12:33

While males aren't threatened by females in an equivalent way, you could still argue for the importance of privacy.

Yes you could, but who's privacy? The men in men's clothes or the men in women's clothes? It seems very unlikely that biological women would venture into mens/unisex spaces.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 29/06/2024 12:42

I'm still voting labour; can't wait to see the back of this shower. Their policies are divisive and ill thought out, they're too incompetent to enact them anyway, despite their huge majority, and they're stupid, incompetent, venal and corrupt. We will deal with gender after the election

Good luck with that, is all I can say. Do come back here and tell us how that goes, won't you?

saveforthat · 29/06/2024 12:44

Littlewhingingfucker · 29/06/2024 08:59

What a scary looking woman! belongs in nightmares, not in the ladies.

It's not a woman.

WickedSerious · 29/06/2024 12:45

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 29/06/2024 12:42

I'm still voting labour; can't wait to see the back of this shower. Their policies are divisive and ill thought out, they're too incompetent to enact them anyway, despite their huge majority, and they're stupid, incompetent, venal and corrupt. We will deal with gender after the election

Good luck with that, is all I can say. Do come back here and tell us how that goes, won't you?

I'm looking forward to the updates.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 29/06/2024 12:48

WickedSerious · 29/06/2024 12:45

I'm looking forward to the updates.

I'm not 😢