Kathleen Stock voting Labour

[CassieMaddox]

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I love her. She's talking a lot of sense on this.

It's going to hit a lot more people in August. I recall about 16 years ago that interst rates were up to about 7% - between 2005 and 2008 - It was crippling

I remember! I've had my mortgage since 2002, been through the ups and downs for sure.

Liz Truss has been gone 18 months + and the BoE is saying this today.

"About three million households are set to see their mortgage payments rise in the next two years."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crged975jx7o

'Erase myself'?

Honestly I do have strong feelings and am GC on several issues (mainly women's sports, prisons and hospital wards) if that's what you mean but I'm not erased. I'm a confident and successful woman. My sex doesn't define me, I define me.

You sound like a TRA! Noone is "erased". People don't pop out of existence just because other people have a different opinion of their gender

Sadly, I don’t agree with Stock’s assessment that Labour are trying to edge back - I might have thought that a couple of weeks ago, but recent pronouncements from Phillipson & Reeves have made their position absolutely clear.

Everyone should vote as they see fit, and taking account of the candidates they have, but nobody should imagine Labour HQ are actually planning more support for women’s rights, they have clearly told us their primary concern is transwomen men

When we have a shiny new labour government, we can all delight in holding their feet to the fire on this.

I don't imagine they'll enjoy a long honeymoon period, thanks at least in part to the dreadful previous government(s). So, in 5 years time, my guess is they'll need our votes more than ever.

I tend to agree. I think they are more hoping they can hold out for another week without being put on the spot again.

I can only see a brief Labour interregnum. Public expectations are high, the economy is screwed, the tax burden (much as I hate that phrase) the highest on record. But billions need to be spent, on the NHS, water supply, much else. The public will soon turn on hapless Labour, and the Tories will be in for another decade. 😟

That only works if they then fix the potholes, and the rental market, and the NHS, and the water companies, and the social care system and the childcare system and....

I don't doubt that they would like to do all that, but they can't without money, and their plan for getting more money is growing the economy. Good luck with that.

When the false hope dies and all they can actually be shown to have done is give out GRCs on the evidence of a supermarket loyalty card, there will be consequences. Just look at Europe.

I listened to what Stock said and I 100% respect the right she has in a democracy to make the choice she wants to. If she feels some issues are more important than sex and gender that’s, again, perfectly legitimate for her to feel that way.

My question is with her reasoning on one element of her argument: she doesn’t agree with Labour on their proposed sex and gender policies, but Labour will take a vote for them to be support for their position on those matters. Labour won’t care that she (and voters like her) might feel unhappy with them for taking the position that they have - once they have her vote (and votes from people who feel as she does) they can claim their voters have endorsed the proposed policies and that the mandate gives them legitimacy in putting the proposed policies into action.

Anyone who thinks Labour has a clear policy to support women needs to watch this

Thankyou to Justme56

You make perfect sense - every word - but I can't quite bring myself to either vote Tory or enable the Tory vote by voting for a small party.

But I'm not in a bell weather so maybe I can afford to stand on principle. I need to look at constituency level polling projections. I'd suggest that's worth doing for a lot of women who are torn.

Plenty of Reform candidates are "the real far right".
Voting for fascism is not a rational choice and it's quite dangerous to encourage it by posting that kind of thing.

I'm in Isle of Wight West, which is new (a previous huge constituency was split into two). Labour and the Greens have seemingly agreed to go for West and East respectively. So that edges me towards Labour, as does the fact that our candidate is a good egg.
Notwithstanding the genderwang from SKS, IoW going Red + Green would be historic and a lot of us are so flipping sick of having a tory MP.

It's a warning, not encouragement.

As I have said over and over again, the left needs to get its shit together.

Your sex does define you to an extent, though. Whether or not you decide to have children you will be defined by the fact that if you do, or don't, it is you who will become pregnant and give birth.......and if you do give birth, it will impact upon you, and change you, in ways it doesn't impact upon or change the father of the child. If you don't ,or can't, have children you will still be aware of the ticking of the biological clock...and have to rationalise that experience/your choices/limitations in order to make meaning of your life.

How you deal with the inevitable stereotyping due to your sex will also define you; which bits of 'femininity' ( if any) you align with, and which you don't; and how you to choose to respond to certain expectations or reject them.

I don't think any of us can claim that we are entirely separate from our body, from the facts of that body; that our body does not define us in certain ways; or certainly shape us and our way of navigating the world.

I'm a grown woman who's been politically engaged for decades. I don't need Kathleen Stock to tell me how to vote although I respect her viewpoint, it's a personal call.
I certainly don't need advice or badgering from Cassie.

I will not vote for a Labour candidate who has used their political power to shut down feminist speakers in real life. There are no second chances - I'm voting Tory to keep her out. Freedom of speech is the foundation stone of democracy.