Kathleen Stock voting Labour

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I love her. She's talking a lot of sense on this.

Maybe she also has a Labour candidate she likes, trusts and respects; many of us don't.

It was the Tory/Libdem coalition that chose to jump on trans as the next hot thing after equal civil marriage (David Cameron was particularly keen). It was the Tories who funded Stonewall to carry out its schools work. It was the Tories who chaired the infamous women and equalities cttee. It was the Tories who allowed govt departments to drop sex from their equal opportunities policies.

We have been fighting this for nearly a decade. A decade in which the Tories have been in power. ALL the main political parties have been tragic on this issue, but I'm gobsmacked that a little late culture war posturing by a few prominent Tories is somehow letting them shrug off responsibility.

This is a carcrash of bad legislation and bad policymaking. Labour carries a great deal of responsibility for the poor laws, but the last 14 years of crap national policy is at the Tories door. Why are people so dazzled by Badenoch's admittedly impressive rhetoric that they are losing sight of this?

Stock is undermining her own values and that is up to her, but I will not be selling my teen daughters down the river with Labour. I will be true to my values, and vote for those that can at least recognise that I am a woman and my rights are sacrosanct.

While I agree with lots of that, it was also the Tories who commissioned Cass and blocked Scottish gender reform. Cass is one of the single most important things to have happened in respect of the protection of children and young people. Without it, we would still be seeing the affirmative model being applied without question, and the medicalisation of children and young people.

The little ray of hope for me, is that the Labour Party has been given no choice really than to stand by the Cass recommendations.

Ah. The KJK response. Noice

Because the conservatives have woken up to the activism and are doing their level best to address it now.

What do we have with Labour? The party is neck deep in donations for trans lobbyists- the leader himself tells us some of us have penises, and not a single member of the Labour Party except for Rosie in the wilderness is prepared to care about our rights or even existence. Yes it’s a huge and deadly serious issue that is not going away.

You’re not; you’re right. What you are doing is engaging with the political system, wrecked though it is and not just staying at home to watch the telly.

Kathleen Stock can do whatever she likes. That won't be my course of action. I can see her point of view but it's not mine.

Yep I've voted Labour for this reason (postal vote so already done)

I have always thought that Kathleen Stock was rather endearingly naive by expecting everyone to be as open and honest as she is. I am therefore not surprised that she has chosen to prioritise the jam tomorrow non-promises of Labour on health, welfare, education, VAWG et al over the clearly stated harm that they will do to women's rights and the safeguarding of children and vulnerable people.

I would have liked to have read this before I sent in my postal vote - even if I were to change my mind, too late now. In my constituency we only had Conservative, Labour, Reform, Green and LibDem - no independents or PoW. I couldn't bring myself to vote for any one of them.

Interesting that some pp feel they can change and pressure Labour to ‘change their mind’ once elected, that is cloud cuckoo land. If they were ever going to move an inch they would have done so in pre election season!
I genuinely feel we will be right back to the dark days or worse. Sir Keir is a fully paid up member of the trans lobbies, they have donated so much to the party - they are going to want to see a serious return on their investment. Dark days are coming for women and girls if they win.

I think the most interesting discussion I've ever taken part in on this board was just after the 2019 general election. It was mostly people reflecting on what had just happened from the perspective of gender critical women.

What, in hindsight, was remarkable was the range of political hues represented. There were posters (including me) who had voted Labour, albeit with some misgivings, along with Conservatives, Lib Dems, Greens and ballot spoilers, all of us (at least from what I can remember 5 years on) talking amicably.

I guess that was possible because there was (again from memory) very little in the way of either goading or rancour. It was accepted that we'd been faced with a shit choice and that everyone had voted in good faith.

I miss those conversations.

I still haven't decided what to do.
Like many, I don't have the option of an independent candidate.

The person who is currently forefront in my mind, is Rosie Duffield. I can't shift the feeling that by not voting Labour I would be abandoning this incredibly brave woman, standing alone in her party.

I said this earlier on another thread:

On another thread, there was some slight criticism of Kathleen Stock and Julie Bindel, both saying, in effect, that they'd hold their noses and vote Labour. But I think it's got to the point where it's hard to criticise anyone for voting any which way, or, indeed, spoiling. If KS and JB think they'd rather be in the tent pissing out, than outside pissing in, and others come to a different conclusion, well, fair enough. It's all such a mess.

She won’t be there for much longer, i understand she is sick of the death threats and complete absence of support from Keir and others.

Of course you could just as easily be voting in a Labour MP who will ignore or attack her, in the HoC, at Conference, in the media and on social media.

Fair play to Doc Stock, she can use her vote any way she wishes, same as the rest of us. Makes no odds to me how she says she'll vote or indeed how she eventually does vote.

Yes me too. The country is in a considerably worse place since the Tories came into power - we really need some political change, and so despite my concerns re women's rights, I will be voting Labour.

I understand that completely.

I'd also be be voting for Starmer as PM which I haven't been able to reconcile myself to. I feel so overwhelmed by not having a political home.

Oh come on. That's not fair.

I can't speak for Doc Stock but I would personally reconcile it as there is no other option, as 5 more years of the current Conservatives that will do far more wide ranging damage to women and children than Labour. It really is that stark for me. Maybe it is for her too.

I'm also getting a bit fed up with demands for "apologies". If AR apologised 1) noone would believe her; 2) she's opening up a front for the Conservatives to fight on their chosen turf and 3) what difference does it make?

Actions speak louder than words. If she was out there saying TWAW, I back self ID, I'd be more concerned. She isn't.

Really? Where is your evidence for that? How much does the "so much" compare with the £15m front racist misogynist Frank Hester?

When I've looked into it a lot of these donations are from charities that support gay people as well, or donors that are gay. I don't think anyone could pick out the "trans lobby" element and personally it starts to border on homophobic to bring it up all the time. Very unhelpful.

If she was out there saying TWAW, I back self ID, I'd be more concerned. She isn't.
Well she may or may not back self ID, but it was only 3 months ago that she was saying

"We have biological women and we have trans women. And they’re both women:"

www.theguardian.com/global/2024/mar/23/angela-rayner-roots-rough-edges-ready-for-power

I don't understand why you are pushing the fact that Kathleen Stock is voting labour, why should the rest of us care how she is voting. I prefer to read the manifestos and make up my own mind not be influenced by some random "celeb".

Just to clarify, the tories actually gave disabled people £150 not thousands. Anything extra the individuals you are referring to received was not due to disability but low income.