Child excluded for using a ‘dead name’.

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I keep my GC credentials close to my chest but a friend has just told me this and I am so furious I had to share here. (I NC’d for anonymity as this is not my DC).

My friend’s DC has a friend that they have known since primary school. This friend has is now non-binary and changed their name. My friend’s DC, in all innocence, has used the name they have known their friend as for their entire life and has been excluded for dead naming and it has been cited as a hate crime.

FFS.

Any bullying would result in a day of internal exclusion at my school, trans or not.

Your friend’s child should be NB too, change their name (or maybe have a couple of names they use, dependent on day or which colour badge they’re wearing) then wait till the reporting teacher makes a mistake (because they will) and kick up an almighty fuss, using all the ridiculous hyperbolic crap the zealots do. If it’s their friend who reported them, then do it to them. If neither of them use the ‘deadname’, then the child should report them for micro-aggressions due to the fact they hesitated for a split second before using the new name.

I’m heartily sick of this pathetic crap and playing them at their own idiot games is fun because they can’t contradict you.

There is no way that a teacher, primary or not, doesn't realise the difference between exclusion and internal exclusion/suspension/isolation.

This.

Do you think referring to another child by the name you've known them as since primary school is bullying?

There are two cases, the opening post, and the one I commented on in the daily mail. Apparently the anti-Semitic attacks were not acted on, either. In the second case.

But I agree, we are only going on what's being said, both by the OP, and the case in the paper.

What I do know is that children, just like adults, are being reported for things that are perfectly normal.

We know women have been threatened with arrest on the most spurious of claims. It's happening left right and centre.

My initial thought was that the OP was wrong, but frankly, who the hell knows.

@Datun I have had a senior pastoral role in a non selective state school for some years now, and liaise with others in the Trust and outside agencies. It would be inconceivable that any student performing a Nazi salute would not have the most serious consequences. We have had a few instances of antisemitism, which has resulted in fixed term exclusions and learning and behaviour contracts. Also referral to Prevent, in one instance.
Much of this story doesn't make sense. In any way.

Depends on the intent, clearly.

If your parents had named you Tallulah-Belle-Leigh and at 14 you decided to go by Jane as you were fed up with your ridiculous name, it would of course be bullying if someone continued to use your old name specifically because they knew you didn't like it.

A slip of the tongue would clearly not be bullying.

So it's not likely this was an accidental slip of the tongue (if real), is it.

I agree, I would normally expect that to be dealt with. But, we know, that certain teachers are wholly captured by ideology.

It doesn't just have to be about gender.

@Datun in my experience, teachers are too busy at work to be driven by much besides results and targets, although I have met a few with a certain agenda. They're usually not particularly powerful or influential, but it may vary school to school.
I would say more harm comes from students who are being manipulated by adults in a religious or social way, which is harmful.
The recent antisemitism case was the worst I've seen. It was honestly like something devised by Goebbels.

I genuinely think teachers have got a really difficult job.

Especially in this day and age. Teaching seems to be the last thing they get to do.

I'm not sure about hearing more from the OP, but I imagine the story in the paper might develop further.

let's hope it's not as bad as it sounds.

That. This is all very suspect.

In any other context I'd agree there is probably more to it. But given what I know about the Aunt Lydia types who enforce the rules of gender ideology these days, in this context I think it's entirely possible that the child is being punished for a simple slip of the tongue, yes.

It's also relevant that "Jane" is only asking to go by a non ridiculous name, not asking children who have known her since primary school to pretend that she isn't a girl.

Punishing the child is a hate crime.

No it's not. There is a legal definition of "hate crime" to which schools must adhere.

So you think there is something more to this as well?

This would not have been a one off event resulting in this punishment.

Indeed. Neither side should be changing the meaning of the words "hate crime".

But excluding a child on the basis that they have committed a completely imaginary "hate crime" must be in some way actionable.

And almost certainly didn't happen in the way claimed. People don't understand the paperwork involved.

Stop the world I want to get off. Fucking lunacy

I have no faith in the process at the moment knowing how insidious this shit is and how captured some teachers are.

Well this didn't happen did it. Trying to stir up a bit of hate are you? Maybe a bit bored? Whatever your motive this post is definitely shady and I'm surprised it hasn't been removed.

Many of you lot consider me 'captured'. There is no way this happened as laid out in the OP. To be an internal exclusion it would have to be bullying and so there would have to be 'intent' behind it. This goes for a range of situations which are all treated equally in my experience.
I also cannot believe any school wouldn't deal with the antisemitism outlined above if there was evidence of what happened. That's awful. Obviously.
Most schools go for discussing/educating to start with.
Intent matters. Internal exclusion is very different from just saying exclusion which most non-teachers would assume to mean expelled.

We are not "captured". Whatever that may mean. There are procedures and processes which have to be followed and justified.
Believe it or not, most teachers are fair, use due process with rigour and seek proper outcomes for our students.

I don't think it's personal, Suzie.

It's not a testament to all teachers.

But there's no doubt, that some teachers are captured. The same way some NHS professionals are captured. They must also have procedures in place.

There are laws about men exposing themselves in front of women, yet NHS nurses are suing the NHS for agreeing to exactly that.

I'm bloody glad there are teachers who hold the line. And I'm sure most of them do.

Thank you, @Datun , and we do, but bandying terms about and accusing teachers is unhelpful and can cause anxiety for some parents.
I understand that if someone hasn't been in school for many years, and gets information from threads like this and the Daily Mail, they may get a jaundiced view.