Child excluded for using a ‘dead name’.

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I keep my GC credentials close to my chest but a friend has just told me this and I am so furious I had to share here. (I NC’d for anonymity as this is not my DC).

My friend’s DC has a friend that they have known since primary school. This friend has is now non-binary and changed their name. My friend’s DC, in all innocence, has used the name they have known their friend as for their entire life and has been excluded for dead naming and it has been cited as a hate crime.

FFS.

What is more likely is that the excluded child was abusive or bullying, and was reported for discrimination or harassment. The term "hate crime" is unlikely to have been used. They will have been warned about the behaviour.

This sort of stuff is going on all over the place.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13581155/Boy-12-referred-counter-extremist-Prevent-officers-school-declaring-two-genders-Im-gay-not-queer.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton

I think it was the "unhealthy interest in weapons" which prompted the police visit, rather than any gender issue.

It doesn’t matter if it happened or not (and I’m guessing ‘not’). It’s still enough to make obsessed people with nothing better to do feel “furious”. And repeat it to countless others who will also feel furious.

A toy sold ay English Heritage?

Perhaps it was going to an English Heritage shop? Bit racist right?

Totally agree

I have no idea what you're talking about. Where on earth does racism come into it? The referral to Prevent and the police visit did not happen because a child questioned issues about gender. This is one woman's report to the Daily Mail and I don't think that constitutes valid evidence.

Yes it takes a lot more than that to make a Prevent referral.

Bloody hell. He had a toy crossbow from English Heritage.

None of this story makes sense.

The kids are friends, and have been for years , but the non binary kid reported his friend for a "mistake"?

No crime was committed, but it was logged as a hate crime?

Add in the inflammatory title , because exclusion and internal exclusion are two completely different things and you're either deliberately stirring stuff up or you've only been given a quarter of a story and you ran with it.

@AlisonDonut Did you read the link you posted all the way through? The videos the child concerned made were posted by his mother. He also said that "Hamas should be wiped out" and told a group of class mates that they should be "exterminated". And there were a "string of other allegations" There is concern that he is in danger of being radicalised. Based on that report alone I absolutely agree. He is obviously being manipulated by his appalling mother. It is a very good thing the situation is being investigated.

Excellent points, @CurlewKate , thank you. It certainly fills in the gaps.

If this happened at my eldests schools half the teachers would be in trouble as they get deadnamed constantly.

But thankfully they understand people make mistakes and it's not a hate crime.

You left out that he's Jewish and:

"He is said to have made the remark in relation to appalling racist slurs from classmates.
In a letter to the school in South Tyneside - seen by the Mail - his mother detailed how he was subjected to vile verbal abuse and Nazi salutes."

OP the problem is that so many people come on here saying 'I'm as GC as they come but...'

Yes you’re likely getting a fair few of these

I don't know the facts of this, @Datun , you obviously know more. However, if the child had reported at any stage antisemitic attacks, then that would have been acted on. It seems very strange that classmates were able to give Nazi salutes - grounds for an instant suspension - yet he was targeted in this way.
There seems to be a lot to unpick here.

It's a really difficult and complicated one .

Prevent ,and referrals to it, are not a punishment.

The kid didn't actually do anything worthy of a punishment, except for the one comment about "exterminating" , but no consequences.

Bar that one, the reasons for reporting are quite tenuous. The concern was that he COULD be radicalised by far right groups once older.

The two videos used as "evidence" were published by his mother. Why? Just why?

Then we have the anti semitic comments /gestures and bullying of the boy. It could all be made up, it could be true but the school didn't deal with it, it could be true and the school dealt with it, but ineffectively.

Whatever is going on, it's a complete shit show.

@ArseholeCatIsABlackAndWhiteCat you're probably right.
I have experience reporting students to Prevent and the concerns which lead up to this. We always have the paper trail, and it's never done lightly. I also know that a police visit is very rare, I have seen the documentation for such circumstances.
I don't know of any school that would not act on Nazi salutes? - those students would be far more likely to be reported and monitored.

Are you in Scotland by any chance op?

I really can't believe people don't believe this?! My dd school behaviour or bullying policy until very recently (thank you Cass!!) had internal exclusion for deadnaming and the wrong pronouns. I think second offense had them fully excluded. I don't know if our school have actually enforced it but it was clear as day in the policies until after Cas

This shit has absolutely been happening in our schools.

You know that your opener isn't even remotely the full story OP.

Totally agree

Schools don't get to decide what is a crime and what is not. Lawmakers do. If the school believes a crime was committed on their premises then presumably they reported it to the police. No?

It's a long time since I had dealings with schools but I have the impression from MN and from various news reports that in many schools crimes are happening all the time - sexual assault, violent attacks, carrying a knife - and schools are not reporting them to the police. I would prefer both schools and the police to be concentrating on tackling real crimes of this sort.

Thank you for your explanation, I couldn’t understand what it was all about by the original post 🤣
Never heard the term dead naming before