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VisitationRights · 28/06/2024 13:14

I cc’ed the BOA on my complaint email and they are the only association to reply (nothing from the Netherlands or France or ioc):
Thanks your for your email and expressing your concern. We are aware of the situation and have expressed our own concerns on what we see as a very serious matter.

cupcaske123 · 28/06/2024 14:42

VisitationRights · 28/06/2024 13:14

I cc’ed the BOA on my complaint email and they are the only association to reply (nothing from the Netherlands or France or ioc):
Thanks your for your email and expressing your concern. We are aware of the situation and have expressed our own concerns on what we see as a very serious matter.

Well that's something I suppose.

JohnofWessex · 28/06/2024 14:50

Although they are both in Schengen Agreement there is nothing to stop the French Authorities banning him from entering.

Potentially I suppose if all Schengen Agreement nations ie most of the EU were to bar him from entry it would be an almighty own goal for him

ScrollingLeaves · 28/06/2024 17:44

“VisitationRights · Today 13:14
I cc’ed the BOA on my complaint email and they are the only association to reply (nothing from the Netherlands or France or ioc):

Thanks your for your email and expressing your concern. We are aware of the situation and have expressed our own concerns on what we see as a very serious matter.”

I am glad they at least responded that way. Thank you for the update.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 28/06/2024 17:55

ageratum1 · 27/06/2024 13:26

An Olympic team is selected on the basis of who is the best athlete, not on who has the best character

How the hell are you advocating on behalf of an adult who groomed and raped a child, @ageratum1?

So in your world, it is OK for a man to groom and multiply rape a child, serve only 12 months of a mere 4 year sentence, and then go blithely on with his life, representing his country in an international sport? REALLY?!. That is sick.

lcakethereforeIam · 28/06/2024 18:16

The Dutch Olympic committee have doubled down and IOC have, predictably, said 'nowt to do with me Guv'

www.telegraph.co.uk/olympics/2024/06/27/dutch-olympics-committee-defend-selection-of-rapist-volleyb/

https://archive.ph/cXcWH if he plays I hope he gets a volley of abuse.

ArcaneWireless · 28/06/2024 18:58

Married and a father.

The ‘really not a paedophile’. So much self reflection and insight there eh?

biscuitandcake · 28/06/2024 19:11

ArcaneWireless · 28/06/2024 18:58

Married and a father.

The ‘really not a paedophile’. So much self reflection and insight there eh?

They keep repeating that he has shown contrition/made amends. But all of the examples (sporting success, happy marriage to an attractive woman, kids) are just signs his life has gone well/things he has done that benefit him.

E.g. I am really sorry I killed your cat Susan last year, but I bought myself a house and got a really good promotion at work since then. So as you can see I've done my best to make amends.

Also on what planet is "he can't be a pedophile, he has a young family" make any sense.

I'm tempted to say that its rooted in Calvinism/the idea that success in life is an outward sign of your worthiness as a person (and on the flip side people doing badly deserve it), but that might be over-analysing thee situation.

ArabellaScott · 28/06/2024 19:13

lcakethereforeIam · 28/06/2024 18:16

The Dutch Olympic committee have doubled down and IOC have, predictably, said 'nowt to do with me Guv'

www.telegraph.co.uk/olympics/2024/06/27/dutch-olympics-committee-defend-selection-of-rapist-volleyb/

https://archive.ph/cXcWH if he plays I hope he gets a volley of abuse.

Fuck them and their poxy shitty games.

similarminimer · 01/07/2024 06:52

Got a reply from Dutch Olympic comms

We sincerely thank you for your response. We are deeply aware that the renewed publicity about Steven van de Velde is causing a lot of emotion, which we fully understand, as the events at that time were very serious.
A lot has happened since then. Steven van de Velde served his sentence and has completed an extensive rehabilitation program with specialized professionals, including the probation service. During this process, Van de Velde has shown that he has grown and that he has positively changed his live. Experts have concluded that there is no risk of recidivism. In 2018, he gave a some interviews about his offence and its consequences. (Please take a moment to watch the w_ that Steven gave to Dutch national television).
The Dutch national volleyball federation (Nevobo) as well as the Dutch National Olympic Committee (NOCNSF) have closely monitored Steven’s progress and explicitly followed the advice of experts. This process has been fully in line with the Dutch Guidelines Integrity Recordss_, which set out the conditions that must be met by athletes to be given a second chance after a conviction.
Steven has been given this second chance and has been participating (since 2017) on international elite sport level. Throughout this time, he has consistently met the high standards set by the volleyball federation and NOC
NSF.
Based on all of the above and after careful consideration, NOC*NSF has decided to select Steven van de Velde for the Olympic Games in Paris.

Yours sincerely,
Lieselot Meelker
Corporate communications NOC*NSF

biscuitandcake · 01/07/2024 08:02

I got exactly the same but in Dutch! Its obviously a copy and paste.

Brainworm · 01/07/2024 08:20

This comes down to philosophical stances on crime and punishment and ideas around punitive versus rehabilitative justice.

If someone commits a hideous crime, goes to prison, is rehabilitated should they be able to live a life equal to others who never committed a crime? I expect some would say absolutely, some would say absolutely not, and others would say they should have some limits placed on them (so they have equality in some aspects of life but not others).

ArabellaScott · 01/07/2024 08:32

If you look at it from the pov of the rapist.

If you look at it from the pov if the girl it's another story.

ArabellaScott · 01/07/2024 08:34

Apologies, I've phrased that badly and it may seem accusative, that wasn't my intent.

Please substitute: 'if you are considering' for 'from the pov of'.

ArcaneWireless · 01/07/2024 09:38

I don’t care about his rehabilitation and his growth and positive life. That response was all about how fabulously he has ‘moved on’.

I do care about his victim.

I wonder how she has moved on. I care about that.

oakleaffy · 01/07/2024 09:54

ArcaneWireless · 28/06/2024 18:58

Married and a father.

The ‘really not a paedophile’. So much self reflection and insight there eh?

He's attracted to children. He may say that is 'In the past', but the desire for children could well still be there.

Having sex with a Twelve year old child is paedophilia.

The majority of children aged 12 still look like children, so not a case of ''But I thought she was 16'' {age of sexual consent here and in Holland}.

oakleaffy · 01/07/2024 09:56

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 28/06/2024 17:55

How the hell are you advocating on behalf of an adult who groomed and raped a child, @ageratum1?

So in your world, it is OK for a man to groom and multiply rape a child, serve only 12 months of a mere 4 year sentence, and then go blithely on with his life, representing his country in an international sport? REALLY?!. That is sick.

Alarming that there are paedophile apologists on this thread.
That man should never be representing ''his country'' at all.

He brings shame upon the heads of the selection team.

WickedSerious · 01/07/2024 10:05

He is and always will be a paedophile,all the 'rehabilitation' in the world can't change that.

NotBadConsidering · 01/07/2024 10:19

He has been able to “move on” with his life - family, job, sports success - because he received a wholly inadequate sentence for his crime.

ScrollingLeaves · 01/07/2024 10:22

oakleaffy · 01/07/2024 09:54

He's attracted to children. He may say that is 'In the past', but the desire for children could well still be there.

Having sex with a Twelve year old child is paedophilia.

The majority of children aged 12 still look like children, so not a case of ''But I thought she was 16'' {age of sexual consent here and in Holland}.

He knew she was 12 anyway.

oakleaffy · 01/07/2024 10:42

biscuitandcake · 26/06/2024 15:58

No evidence the woman convicted was far right by the way. At first I thought she had something racist or threatening to the man or had referred to his background as an immigrant. Nope. She even apologised for her language. Still went to prison.

Grotesque .

Their 'expert witness' in court {a woman!} excused the actions of the rapists like this :

Dr Saimeh said perpetrators “who live on the margins of society, completely uprooted culturally, linguistically and socially” could face a “mix of emotions of anger, sadness, powerlessness, depression, fantasies of grandeur as a compensation attempt to cope with one’s own misery, and drug use”.
“Disordered, unprepared migration experiences and sociocultural homelessness increase the risk of addiction and psychosis,” she said.
“Sex is also a means of venting frustration and anger, a means of warding off sadness and emptiness, and in a group of men with the same fate it also creates identity and strengthens the group feeling.”
She added, “The victim becomes a pure instrument for their own sexual gratification. It’s about an immediate need, opportunity, inner conviction and the right of the stronger.”

https://civilek.info/en/2024/06/24/on-wine-is-the-german-nore-calling-the-eroszatevo-migrant-dishonest/#:~:text=In%202020%2C%20nine%20men%2C%20in,been%20sentenced%20by%20the%20court.

The German woman who called the violent migrant dishonest is waiting in prison — Civilek Info

He called the perpetrator of the attack on the teenage girl a dishonest rapist pig, he is behind bars for "hate". In 2020, nine men, in four groups, raped a 15-year-old girl in a park, but the German court released eight of them on parole. Ou...

https://civilek.info/en/2024/06/24/on-wine-is-the-german-nore-calling-the-eroszatevo-migrant-dishonest#:~:text=In%202020%2C%20nine%20men%2C%20in,been%20sentenced%20by%20the%20court.

ArabellaScott · 01/07/2024 10:44

oakleaffy · 01/07/2024 10:42

Grotesque .

Their 'expert witness' in court {a woman!} excused the actions of the rapists like this :

Dr Saimeh said perpetrators “who live on the margins of society, completely uprooted culturally, linguistically and socially” could face a “mix of emotions of anger, sadness, powerlessness, depression, fantasies of grandeur as a compensation attempt to cope with one’s own misery, and drug use”.
“Disordered, unprepared migration experiences and sociocultural homelessness increase the risk of addiction and psychosis,” she said.
“Sex is also a means of venting frustration and anger, a means of warding off sadness and emptiness, and in a group of men with the same fate it also creates identity and strengthens the group feeling.”
She added, “The victim becomes a pure instrument for their own sexual gratification. It’s about an immediate need, opportunity, inner conviction and the right of the stronger.”

https://civilek.info/en/2024/06/24/on-wine-is-the-german-nore-calling-the-eroszatevo-migrant-dishonest/#:~:text=In%202020%2C%20nine%20men%2C%20in,been%20sentenced%20by%20the%20court.

That makes me feel actually ill.

ArabellaScott · 01/07/2024 10:45

Never mind the male gaze, it seems we are encouraged to actually see things through the rapist's gaze.

cupcaske123 · 01/07/2024 10:46

oakleaffy · 01/07/2024 10:42

Grotesque .

Their 'expert witness' in court {a woman!} excused the actions of the rapists like this :

Dr Saimeh said perpetrators “who live on the margins of society, completely uprooted culturally, linguistically and socially” could face a “mix of emotions of anger, sadness, powerlessness, depression, fantasies of grandeur as a compensation attempt to cope with one’s own misery, and drug use”.
“Disordered, unprepared migration experiences and sociocultural homelessness increase the risk of addiction and psychosis,” she said.
“Sex is also a means of venting frustration and anger, a means of warding off sadness and emptiness, and in a group of men with the same fate it also creates identity and strengthens the group feeling.”
She added, “The victim becomes a pure instrument for their own sexual gratification. It’s about an immediate need, opportunity, inner conviction and the right of the stronger.”

https://civilek.info/en/2024/06/24/on-wine-is-the-german-nore-calling-the-eroszatevo-migrant-dishonest/#:~:text=In%202020%2C%20nine%20men%2C%20in,been%20sentenced%20by%20the%20court.

Sweet baby Jesus. She's actually making up excuses for gang rape. That's terrifying.

biscuitandcake · 01/07/2024 10:48

And suddenly, for no reason at all, the far right were voted into power.

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