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Thelnebriati · 27/06/2024 11:12

On the Petitions board now;
Petition to Exclude known sex offenders from participating in the Olympic games.
www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/5106446-petition-to-exclude-known-sex-offenders-from-participating-in-the-olympic-games

YouJustDoYou · 27/06/2024 11:14

This piece of shit was in such a hurry, at 19, to rape this child whom he KNEW was only 12 he didn't even have time to bring money or book a hotel when he dashed over on a flight. HE KNEW SHE WAS 12. There is NO fucking excuse.

cupcaske123 · 27/06/2024 11:15

Thelnebriati · 27/06/2024 11:12

On the Petitions board now;
Petition to Exclude known sex offenders from participating in the Olympic games.
www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/5106446-petition-to-exclude-known-sex-offenders-from-participating-in-the-olympic-games

Signed

ageratum1 · 27/06/2024 13:26

An Olympic team is selected on the basis of who is the best athlete, not on who has the best character

cupcaske123 · 27/06/2024 13:28

ageratum1 · 27/06/2024 13:26

An Olympic team is selected on the basis of who is the best athlete, not on who has the best character

What about safeguarding?

ArcaneWireless · 27/06/2024 13:44

He may be one of the better athlete’s they have to pick from but they have a duty of care not to let someone of his character anywhere near young athletes.

ScrollingLeaves · 27/06/2024 13:44

cupcaske123 · 27/06/2024 13:28

What about safeguarding?

That’s one view.

Athletes are supposed to represent their country. A bit of research about Holland shows this man does that well.

Holland’s choice if that is what they really want to look like.

But do the Olympic organisers really want rape of a child taint?

Not many places would say X was chosen for their ability to do Y, not whether they are rapists or not, we don’t care.

Or,

This man is an excellent footballer . The rape of a minor he committed is in the past, he served a little bit of time, he is sorry.
We have chosen him for his football skills, not for his morals.

IamaRevenant · 27/06/2024 13:45

Grammarnut · 27/06/2024 11:03

There are some deeply racist attitudes in some parts of northern Europe e.g. Denmark.

When I was living in NL (little village outside Leiden) a lovely Ethiopian family moved in next door.

The same day there was a street party with girls in full on black up makeup singing 'I wish I was a white girl, so I could get a white boy too!'. I felt so sad for them, their kids looked distraught 😔

Don't even get me started on Schwartz Pete.

Sorry, irrelevant tangent!

ScrollingLeaves · 27/06/2024 13:46

Sorry, I was trying to answer:

ageratum1 · Today 13:26
“An Olympic team is selected on the basis of who is the best athlete, not on who has the best character”

Sobeautiful · 27/06/2024 13:48

ageratum1 · 26/06/2024 09:46

Because he has served his sentence.

If he was British he would also have been placed on the sex offenders register. With a sentence of 4 years he'd also be on it indefinitely.

Sobeautiful · 27/06/2024 13:57

ageratum1 · 27/06/2024 13:26

An Olympic team is selected on the basis of who is the best athlete, not on who has the best character

In terms of a person's character there's quite a difference between an athlete sleeping around behind their partners back, drink driving or getting involved in a fight and being a convicted paedophile. Or is it more important to bring medals home even if it's by a child rapist. Whether he likes it or not English law classes him as a paedophile.

oakleaffy · 27/06/2024 14:04

Disgraceful sentence.

oakleaffy · 27/06/2024 14:05

Some shocking paedophile apologists on this thread.

Thefinalbit · 27/06/2024 14:09

PurplePim · 26/06/2024 09:56

What a disgusting premeditated crime. Shame on everyone involved in getting him into the Olympics. Why aren't there procedures in place to make sure this was career ending? Not least the massive social-shame that should make people disassociate from him.

This Brock-Turner-esque privilege for sexual assault and rape related crime needs to end. Whether it's sports, music, or whatever, these vile men are somehow still lauded, and the messages it sends to both men and women is clear.

It should be career ending. This is a sport played by many children. How are they supposed to look towards the senior team when there is a person who committed this crime. What about safe guarding women and girls who have to use the same facilities .

murasaki · 27/06/2024 14:18

There will definitely be kids there, e.g. Sky Brown, GB skateboarder, 15, probably quite a few swimmers from various countries, divers (Tom Daley was 14 at his first Olympics) I think gymnastics is 16 now but even so, there will be a lot of under 18s. Where is the safeguarding.

cupcaske123 · 27/06/2024 14:24

There's no point contacting the IOC:

"The nomination of individual team members, following qualification on the field of play, is the sole responsibility of each respective National Olympic Committee."

However the Dutch NOC email is
[email protected]

It might be worth contacting them.

WickedSerious · 27/06/2024 15:52

ageratum1 · 27/06/2024 13:26

An Olympic team is selected on the basis of who is the best athlete, not on who has the best character

He's a paedophile.

LondonPapa · 27/06/2024 18:01

WickedSerious · 27/06/2024 15:52

He's a paedophile.

Not the poster you’re responding to and I don’t support the decision but he is very good. I can 100% see why he would be picked by the national team. Unfortunately, this is also an echo chamber as the wider British public probably don’t know enough and the Dutch don’t care.

mrshoho · 27/06/2024 19:32

Thank you for the petition link, I've duly signed. Convenient for the Netherlands that the Olympics is in Europe this year as if it was being held in many other countries it's unlikely he'd be allowed in. This just shows that progressive is not often for the benefit of children and women.

WickedSerious · 27/06/2024 19:47

LondonPapa · 27/06/2024 18:01

Not the poster you’re responding to and I don’t support the decision but he is very good. I can 100% see why he would be picked by the national team. Unfortunately, this is also an echo chamber as the wider British public probably don’t know enough and the Dutch don’t care.

Shame on the Dutch and everyone else enabling this rancid excuse for a man.

Remaker · 28/06/2024 00:17

Janey Godley has decided to use this horrendous decision as some kind of gotcha moment for her pro-trans argument. As well as being factually false (as this now 9-page discussion proves) does anyone else find it really off that someone uses the rape of a 12 year old to try to prove a point about something unrelated that they are obsessed with? I now have at least two people I follow who’ve shared JG’s post with emphatic support. How can they think it’s ok?JG Twitter post

x.com

https://x.com/janeygodley/status/1806278784175177755?s=46&t=FihATfxKF39HlNx7zH-Zgg

NonCrimeHakeIncident · 28/06/2024 01:14

Yep. It’s like Keir Starmer with Brianna Ghey. Awful.

OP posts:
SinnerBoy · 28/06/2024 09:47

I've managed to sign the petition now, I had trouble trying on the ship.

biscuitandcake · 28/06/2024 12:20

Remaker · 28/06/2024 00:17

Janey Godley has decided to use this horrendous decision as some kind of gotcha moment for her pro-trans argument. As well as being factually false (as this now 9-page discussion proves) does anyone else find it really off that someone uses the rape of a 12 year old to try to prove a point about something unrelated that they are obsessed with? I now have at least two people I follow who’ve shared JG’s post with emphatic support. How can they think it’s ok?JG Twitter post

I deliberately DIDN'T mention the NOC-NSF 's transgender policy on this thread, because it isn't the main topic - and condoning the rape of a child manages to overshadow even that. However, predictably, it is about as kind to women/girls as their policy on rape: guideline-gender-and-sex-in-sport-online-engels.pdf (nocnsf.nl)

But even if they had the most sensitive, most pro-women and pro-safety policies out their and I thought they were absolutely fantastic, their decision to centre a child-rapists needs would still cancel everything else out. We can be angry about more than one thing at a time.

Actually maybe Dutch sports misogyny needs its own special thread to avoid derailing this one.

Dutch volleyball player who raped 12 year old British girl qualifies for Olympics
biscuitandcake · 28/06/2024 12:49

But to answer Godley's question - he can use literally any toilet he wants to according to official NOC-NSF policy.