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dougalfromthemagicroundabout · 18/07/2024 20:16

That pitiful excuse of a response fails to mention the victim once.

Are they paying for her extensive counselling that she'll need given her rapists face is going to be plastered all over the media from now until the Olympics. Or is it only the paedophile that gets expensive 'rehabilitation'?

These bastards are harming her again. Deliberately. Fucking evil monsters.

ScrollingLeaves · 18/07/2024 20:24

Grammarnut · 18/07/2024 19:47

That the Netherlands is happy to be represented by a paedophile makes one question other aspects of their society, sadly.

I agree. I was glancing in a travel agent’s window and caught sight of a notice of a trip to Amsterdam. My instantaneous and involuntary response was “Hmm.”

It is the fact that he took a plane trip to get to her. He had time to think.

dougalfromthemagicroundabout · 18/07/2024 20:30

So far the countries I won't travel to because of their preferential treatment of paedophiles over and above their child victims is Netherlands and Scotland (Dolatowski and that ridiculous ruling that let a rapist off because of the impact him raping a child might have on his life...). Any more?

Gofastboatsmojito · 18/07/2024 20:44

From the translated article

There is a fuss about the participation of Van de Velde, who was sentenced to four years in prison by an English court in 2016 for sex with a minor. Due to the girl's age (12), this was considered rape, regardless of whether she consented. Van de Velde himself was 19 years old at the time

cupcaske123 · 18/07/2024 20:47

Gofastboatsmojito · 18/07/2024 20:44

From the translated article

There is a fuss about the participation of Van de Velde, who was sentenced to four years in prison by an English court in 2016 for sex with a minor. Due to the girl's age (12), this was considered rape, regardless of whether she consented. Van de Velde himself was 19 years old at the time

Doesn't make sense does it. This has been discussed up thread and the age of consent in the Netherlands is 16.

ArcaneWireless · 18/07/2024 20:53

A fuss???

biscuitandcake · 18/07/2024 21:00

Its also incredibly (deliberately) misleading. The wording almost implies he was sentenced "regardless of the fact she consented", thats not what it says but it is the impression it gives if you read it quickly.... It misses out the key detail that he got her drunk first in order to lower her boundaries. I mean, its sort of irrelevant anyway because she was twelve.
Under Dutch law by the way I think the age of consent is 16, but its only considered automatic rape is the child is under 12. But 12 is still minor. (It is... interesting that he talked to her online for two years right up to the point that it became a less serious crime under Dutch law to have sex...)

So yeah, it implies she gave consent and then talks about Van De Velde's age right after. It is sort of like "ahhh, a quirky technicality of English law." It is the sort of minimisation you see people do when its older children that are groomed (e.g. 15) but to see them try it with a 12 year old. Urgh.

biscuitandcake · 18/07/2024 21:03

ArcaneWireless · 18/07/2024 20:53

A fuss???

Its those crazy British tabloids up to their old tricks, getting all hysterical about men that get children drunk and repeatedly rape them. Will their constant hounding of the poor men never end???

ArcaneWireless · 18/07/2024 21:04

Thank you for putting so perfectly what is inside my head @biscuitandcake

ScrollingLeaves · 18/07/2024 21:33

biscuitandcake · 18/07/2024 21:00

Its also incredibly (deliberately) misleading. The wording almost implies he was sentenced "regardless of the fact she consented", thats not what it says but it is the impression it gives if you read it quickly.... It misses out the key detail that he got her drunk first in order to lower her boundaries. I mean, its sort of irrelevant anyway because she was twelve.
Under Dutch law by the way I think the age of consent is 16, but its only considered automatic rape is the child is under 12. But 12 is still minor. (It is... interesting that he talked to her online for two years right up to the point that it became a less serious crime under Dutch law to have sex...)

So yeah, it implies she gave consent and then talks about Van De Velde's age right after. It is sort of like "ahhh, a quirky technicality of English law." It is the sort of minimisation you see people do when its older children that are groomed (e.g. 15) but to see them try it with a 12 year old. Urgh.

Edited

I agree with everything you say.

As to his having waited two years, I had not realised that. That means she was 10 when he began grooming her.

Scum of the earth.

lcakethereforeIam · 19/07/2024 18:38

Well, taking a flight to another country to rape a child after grooming her for two years is, I dunno, a lapse of concentration...but s-smoking while female! Tsk! It seems very harsh, she's very young not young enough for the Dutch volleyball player I hope she makes it to the next Olympics.

I hope they crash and burn in the first round while the audience slow handclap and chant 'nonce'. Imagine being the person who has to hang a gold medal round this pervert's neck! I'd be tempted to throttle him with the ribbon.

Userxyd · 22/07/2024 06:15

Thirdsummerofourdiscontent · 26/06/2024 10:19

No one convicted of rape especially of a child should be allowed to be a professional athlete of any sport. Ever.

This. Wtf happened at sentencing for him to get away with only 4 years in the first place, how was he out in a quarter of that time, and how many different officials had to approve the decision to let him represent Holland in this sport?
Let me guess- all of them men? None with any daughters/female relatives/know any females they give a shit about?
Disgusting miscarriage of justice from every individual involved at those 3 points that gave him his freedom, his career and his dreams back unscathed.
Meanwhile we can only guess how his poor victim is getting on. He should be electronically tagged and monitored for life, only permitted to work in secure locations with no children anywhere near him, and donate half his earnings to her.

FairyLightBan · 22/07/2024 06:21

ageratum1 · 26/06/2024 09:46

Because he has served his sentence.

Are you a paedophile sympathiser? He may have served time but he still did the crime. Men like this should not be allowed to represent their country

Userxyd · 22/07/2024 06:24

Ugh, so he started grooming her when he was 17 and she was 10. That is utterly heartbreaking- he spent all that time planning it and making her think she loved him. Imagine a ten year old what they would otherwise be doing and all that time he was plotting to rape her in 2 years time when he'd get less of a sentence. Absolutely callous predatory monster.
That poor girl. I'm absolutely furious for her - that sentence is an utter joke and was surely based on his career being over, when instead he's given gold plated accommodation and protection from the press?
We can't let this lie- need to follow it up with the Dutch and British authorities to check how his sentence and served time was so short.

FairyLightBan · 22/07/2024 06:37

The poor girl having to see him on TV as a hero representing his country

biscuitandcake · 22/07/2024 07:24

Userxyd · 22/07/2024 06:15

This. Wtf happened at sentencing for him to get away with only 4 years in the first place, how was he out in a quarter of that time, and how many different officials had to approve the decision to let him represent Holland in this sport?
Let me guess- all of them men? None with any daughters/female relatives/know any females they give a shit about?
Disgusting miscarriage of justice from every individual involved at those 3 points that gave him his freedom, his career and his dreams back unscathed.
Meanwhile we can only guess how his poor victim is getting on. He should be electronically tagged and monitored for life, only permitted to work in secure locations with no children anywhere near him, and donate half his earnings to her.

The Netherlands has a different attitude to extradition compared to the UK (they are less keen). As a result, part of the deal to extradite him to the UK to face trial will have included the agreement that if sentenced and given a custodial sentence he would be allowed to finish it in the Netherlands (standard agreement). I suspect it would also have included the agreement that he would only be prosecuted for things that are also crimes in the Netherlands - so the 2 years of sexual communication with a minor would not have been included because it wasn't a crime in the Netherlands (I know), so ASFAIK he wasn't prosecuted for this. Normally I think a UK citizen would be. Ultimately the UK authorities would not have had much choice about sending him back to the Netherlands. Pretty much as soon as he was back in NL the Dutch authorities released him.

Also, as disturbing as this is, the majority of the NOC (Dutch Olympics committee) are women. Sigh.

Grammarnut · 22/07/2024 10:05

biscuitandcake · 22/07/2024 07:24

The Netherlands has a different attitude to extradition compared to the UK (they are less keen). As a result, part of the deal to extradite him to the UK to face trial will have included the agreement that if sentenced and given a custodial sentence he would be allowed to finish it in the Netherlands (standard agreement). I suspect it would also have included the agreement that he would only be prosecuted for things that are also crimes in the Netherlands - so the 2 years of sexual communication with a minor would not have been included because it wasn't a crime in the Netherlands (I know), so ASFAIK he wasn't prosecuted for this. Normally I think a UK citizen would be. Ultimately the UK authorities would not have had much choice about sending him back to the Netherlands. Pretty much as soon as he was back in NL the Dutch authorities released him.

Also, as disturbing as this is, the majority of the NOC (Dutch Olympics committee) are women. Sigh.

Was his crime committed in the UK? If so, UK law applies, not that of the Netherlands, surely?

ScrollingLeaves · 22/07/2024 11:13

Grammarnut · 22/07/2024 10:05

Was his crime committed in the UK? If so, UK law applies, not that of the Netherlands, surely?

It seems not, as it was treated slightly differently as a crime when he had returned to the Netherlands ( if I have remembered correctly from the first posts). Then they shortened the short sentence by 75%, so it was only one year.

biscuitandcake · 22/07/2024 19:32

Grammarnut · 22/07/2024 10:05

Was his crime committed in the UK? If so, UK law applies, not that of the Netherlands, surely?

If you travel to Spain and rob a bank there you are subject to Spanish law. However if you flee back to the UK before they catch you, Spain then has to ask the UK to extradite you. Different countries apply different approaches to extradition and different terms and conditions. Some don't get extradited at all (think the US woman who killed the teenager through driving on the wrong side of the road but flew back to America.)

In the case of you robbing a Spanish bank, you would likely be extradited fairly easily. If say it was an African country accusing you of spreading homosexuality then no because that would clash with human rights law. But the UK is fairly reasonable about extradition.

The Dutch are more awkward, and apply more conditions. It's an issue even outside of Van de Velde since until the start of this month it wasn't illegal to groom kids online for example. So your Dutch nonce could be online talking to a child about sex in another country. Technically he is committing a crime in that country (since the communication is also happening there). But good luck getting the Dutch to extradite.

There's a reason it's a major hub for child porn.

My personal opinion is we should have agreed to send Van De Velde (and others like him) back to the Netherlands but made him swim tied to a large millstone.

biscuitandcake · 22/07/2024 19:35

Ironically if the UK hadn't pushed ahead with the extradition it would have resulted in longer term consequences for him. Since he would have been subject to an open arrest warrant and would not be able to travel abroad as easily and compete. But I don't think the UK authorities could have anticipated him being integrated back into Dutch sport so easily, let alone the Olympics.

Grammarnut · 22/07/2024 21:45

biscuitandcake · 22/07/2024 19:32

If you travel to Spain and rob a bank there you are subject to Spanish law. However if you flee back to the UK before they catch you, Spain then has to ask the UK to extradite you. Different countries apply different approaches to extradition and different terms and conditions. Some don't get extradited at all (think the US woman who killed the teenager through driving on the wrong side of the road but flew back to America.)

In the case of you robbing a Spanish bank, you would likely be extradited fairly easily. If say it was an African country accusing you of spreading homosexuality then no because that would clash with human rights law. But the UK is fairly reasonable about extradition.

The Dutch are more awkward, and apply more conditions. It's an issue even outside of Van de Velde since until the start of this month it wasn't illegal to groom kids online for example. So your Dutch nonce could be online talking to a child about sex in another country. Technically he is committing a crime in that country (since the communication is also happening there). But good luck getting the Dutch to extradite.

There's a reason it's a major hub for child porn.

My personal opinion is we should have agreed to send Van De Velde (and others like him) back to the Netherlands but made him swim tied to a large millstone.

Totally agree. The Netherlands needs to get its act together and recognise paedophilia.

Userxyd · 24/07/2024 05:31

Ugh how can anyone be interested in a man who did that to a 12 year old?
How is he walking around freely let alone representing the Netherlands at the Olympics.
I'm shocked at their lack of laws around online grooming and paedophilia- I'd've thought EU law would require proper sentencing etc for crimes of that magnitude especially cos it seems like a civilised place otherwise.
I guess it goes with the prostitution approach but I thought they were liberal in a sensible progressive way about consenting adults etc - this just makes me think it's all just about seedy sex and drug money and they don't care about children getting harmed in the process. Shame on them ☹️