David Tennant - Wishes Kemi B would ‘shut up’

[Justme56]

https://metro.co.uk/2024/06/21/strictly-star-robin-windsor-honoured-posthumously-2024-british-lgbt-awards-21083694/

That’s really interesting, and perhaps at least partially explains why middle aged and upwards female politicians tend to more successful in centre-right and right wing parties than left wing parties? Once the children are settled with nanny/at boarding school/fully grown adults the formidable matriarch can get on with her career and at least some right wing men fall (back) into line behind ‘Matron’ whereas older women with similar personality traits & ambitions tend to be demonised as a ‘battle axes’ by lefty men?

It’s much harder to be both a mother and have a career if you have to pack both full time roles into the same couple of decades, if you can do them consecutively rather than concurrently it’s much more doable but in order for that to happen you have to move in professional circles where you won’t be automatically written off at menopause.

David Tennant doing a fine job for the #letthemspeak cause. What an ignorant, arrogant, hateful man he is. Such clear insight into his feelings towards women.

Is this the article?

https://thecritic.co.uk/lefty-mens-failures-have-radicalised-women/

I think it does you know. I mean if you look at how Thatcher kind of positioned herself in the Tory party and how the Tories talked about her, it was very much a sort of tough, hard matron figure - she was going to run the country with an iron fist just like she ran her chemistry lab and her household! And again, maybe because of some freudian love for nanny or whatever, the tory wets loved it. And she did play on all that, with her handbags and her housewife metaphors for the economy.

I can't really think of an equivalent on the progressive side, I find it hard to imagine and older mother rising to a similar position in Labour. I mean, the Corbynites HATED Thornbury (again, a very visceral hatred, almost physical disgust). Even Diane Abbott is lionised and fetishised by the left as a sort of statue or 2 dimensional icon in Labour history rather than taken seriously for her policies.

I can't really imagine someone like Ruth Davidson an out lesbian leading Labour . I mean even Sturgeon had to get married to be acceptable to her progressive party.

Me too. It's been the most incredible disappointment to me. These lefty men, the guardian, the BBC.

Germaine Greer is right. We don't realise how much a lot of men really hate us.

David Tennant is an idiot. What the fuck has Clause 28 got to do with any of this? Trans Ideology is regressive and homophobic. It’s the equivalent of my late ex-mother-in-law, who insisted her neighbour had turned her son gay because she bought him a doll’s house.

These people NEVER engage with the real concerns of us whinging little fuckers. They NEVER stop to question themselves. They NEVER peep out of their bubble-wrapped echo chambers, because they don’t fucking have to. They’re insulated by money, privilege, and fucking fawning yes-them hanging onto every ill-thought out, sixth-form opinion they fart out every time they see a microphone.

God that’s really pissed me off.

Right wing men are far more on board and supportive of feminism than left wing men, the same with right wing media - the Daily Mail/Telegraph/Times have been championing feminist writers for a long time now and are much more respectful too.

The Tories have had three female PMs and Labour haven't had any.

JKR sees him telt

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/06/28/jk-rowling-criticises-david-tennant-latest-trans-row/

https://archive.ph/ZzfpV play the ball DT, except you can't, can you pet?

I thought what DT said on stage was unpleasant and sexist enough to be going on with but what he then went on to say in the interview afterwards was another level entirely. It would appear he has some anger issues regarding women with opinions.

If you read Guns, Germs, and Steel by Jared Diamond, you'll see that she's largely right. The UK's wealth, and that of most of Europe, is down to being part of an east-west oriented temperate land mass, with plenty of rivers and mountains to act as natural boundaries between different groups of people and so form competing nation-states.

1. The temperate climate makes it easy to farm and travel for trading.
2. The rivers make it easy to travel inland and trade.
3. Agricultural techniques can be spread between people and will apply across the entire land mass, meaning progress is faster because wisdom is shared.
4. Anyone with an idea or invention who gets shot down in their own country can go to any of many neighbouring countries to try to get financial backing.
5. Regular warfare between neighbouring states forces technological development.

By contrast, travel through Africa and Americas, both north-south land masses, is hard because of deserts and jungles in the way. Agricultural techniques developed in Egypt couldn't be spread to South Africa because of the Sahara being in the way.

China has for most of its history been a single empire covering an area that you could fit multiple European countries into. If the Emperor says "no" to funding your sailing trip to see what's on the other side of the ocean, or, as happened, outlaws such trips, you can't go, end of story. Columbus got rejected by multiple European monarchs for his big trip across the Atlantic before one said "yes" and it was only because he had multiple nations to pitch to that he could keep on pitching.

Intercontinental colonialism is recent history. British wealth goes back long before that. Yes, intercontinental colonialism has contributed to our wealth, but it is by no means the biggest contributor.

I have quite a lot to do with blokes who are farmers, gamekeepers, etc - not usually considered a remotely Lefty constituency.

The vast majority of the ones I deal with are very respectful of women. There's some misogyny and sexism, but not very much - it's jarring when you encounter it, rather than being expected. It's nothing like it was in the 70s and 80s.

Possibly Margaret Thatcher led the men in that constituency to re-evaluate what they thought of women.

Your mileage may differ, of course.

travel through Africa and Americas, both north-south land masses,

Diamond does cover Australia and island archipelagos as well. Australia is too hot and dry in the middle to even really bother much with agriculture, and island nations tend not to go to war every five minutes because of the sea being in the way. The UK is a notable exception because the sea between us and our neighbours is so narrow as to be swimmable.

You also have to have domesticable fauna, like cattle and sheep. Australia doesn't have any of that as native species.

But basically, Europeans lucked out geography-wise. White privilege and the white supremacism that underpins it are consequences of European success being misattributed to Europeans being somehow better than all the Black and Brown people, not causes of it.

The same is true of working class men who do physical labour. My exes include a postie, a sparky and a boat restorer (!) and I knew their friends to go out with, of course. I have previously wondered whether men who do physical labour (like farming, gamekeeping or delivering mail) are more aware of the innate physical differences between men and women because they encounter it in their bodies every day. That's why they're not on board with the trans stuff. And maybe that leads them to have more innate respect for the physical labours women do: childbirth, breastfeeding, child rearing etc, and how physically and mentally difficult those jobs are.

Whereas if your work is and always has been largely sat in front of a computer you don't have that recognision so much and women, and sex and gender, become more reified, but at the same time you see women being promoted ahead of you in the office and you get bitter and hateful.

???? I'm honesly spitballing. But this is such an interesting exploration of ideas and it's good to be able to verbalise stuff that's kind of in my mind a lot but I never really conceptualise. Acceptance of trans stuff definitely goes along class lines and that doesn't get talked about enough.

MN gets a lot of flak but I honestly don't know anywhere else on the internet where I could participate in a discussion like this.

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Yes that's the one. It's like Tennant started from that position and then ramped it up and up and up.

Why should she shut up about it though, if that's her opinion? If she says it and someone comes up with a counterargument then there is nothing wrong with that. Opinions need to be aired and exposed as nonsense if they are. The TRA's want to shut people up and have ' no debate' because they don't want their arguments to be exposed to even minor scrutiny.

I think you're spot on. Most of my dealings with farmers and keepers are because I have a working gundog, and a lot of the blokes in that world are builders, welders, pest controllers, agricultural engineers etc. Quite a few of them breed animals of some sort (dogs, sheep, goats etc), which also makes them very aware of the binary nature of sex. And, of course, of the sheer effort of reproduction and the rearing of young.

It probably helps that I have massive respect for their practical skills, and appreciate that they are often very thoughtful and knowledgeable. One of the blokes I know prefers training dogs with 'you ladies' because we're less up ourselves than the men, so we learn faster.

Acceptance of trans stuff definitely goes along class lines and that doesn't get talked about enough. Yup.

he is understood to have called them “a tiny bunch of little whinging f-- who’re on the wrong side of history and they’ll all go away soon”.

Responding to the actor’s comments, JK Rowling wrote on X, formerly Twitter: “This man is talking about rape survivors who want female-only care, the nurses currently suing their health trust for making them change in front of a man, girls and women losing sporting opportunities to males and female prisoners incarcerated with convicted sex offenders.”

She nailed it.

These are Tenant's 'whinging little fuckers'.

Who the hell did he think they were?

Why does he think all these women are fuming and petrified?

She is a right wing black woman - THAT is the problem. She is not allowed to voice an opinion full stop.

I was heavily involved with a voluntary organisation in my younger days that meant I encountered a lot of what I would call Shire Tory Men. The old fashioned paternalistic type that I think @GiveMeSpanakopita is telling about, not the more modern city spiv type.

I found I could work with them very well. I did start off doing a lot of the committee secretarial role, but I’m not the shy retiring type and once they realised I knew what I was talking about I was more valuable to them than just doing admin and became just another committee member. One notable thing was that I was listened to and not talked over like I was by men in my job! Any sexist remarks tended to be fairly mild patronising stuff that was consequence of their “gentlemanly” “ladies first” manners, not the demeaning “just banter” stuff at work.

It was a learning experience for me as a newish right-on graduate that people with very different political views can be still kind, thoughtful people who want a better society too. We disagreed on what that looks like in detail and how to achieve it and their motivation might have been paternalistic duty and charity to people less fortunate, and mine might have been to change the world. But we were general pulling in the same direction and brought different strengths to the team.

There’s a lot’s to ponder in Spanakopita’s posts, particularly on traditional women’s roles being valued and respected by the right, and as a consequence women who hold those roles bring values and respected. I think there’s a big debate there on how to hold onto the good things in that - my childhood is full of northern matriarchal characters like Ena Sharples who terrified the men into submission, so the traditional working class man recognised and valued those roles too, just in a different way.

It rings a bell with me. It might have been The Critic. Not sure who wrote it, though.

https://thecritic.co.uk/the-sadness-of-sceptical-man/

Have we had the Julie Burchill Spectator demolition of Tennant? Sorry, the thread as been fast moving and I haven't read all of it...

<a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/2024.06.27-052712/www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-trouble-with-david-tennant" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://archive.ph/2024.06.27-052712/www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-trouble-with-david-tennant/

Is there a share token, or an archive version, sinner?

Oh, sorry, I see the article's already been linked upthread. I'm reading the thread backwards, which is always a daft idea.