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GiveMeSpanakopita · 28/06/2024 08:46

DramaLlamaBangBang · 28/06/2024 07:05

I agree with your definition @UtopiaPlanitia I think it started iff with Marx, who was pretty well off, and lived off his wife's inheritance. He, as an intellectual dreamed that the Working Class would do all the foot soldiering of the Revolution and therefore bring about Utopia. Whether he actually wanted to give up his comfortable life himself- who knows? Then, when actually worldwide when a lot of the working class and people Marx's followers see as poor and oppressed don't do what is good for them, there is frustration. I agree most working class people, and also people from ethnic minorities are socially conservative, many quite like the Monarchy and religion and patriotism, which middle class intellectuals roundly reject. And it's not they that suffer when things like drugs are decriminalised or laws around sex and trans people are liberalised, or the police are 'defunded' it's the poor, to a huge degree.

This is the same lovely Karl that described Jewish people as 'cockroaches' living off the backs of the global poor (as per that mural that Corbyn so loved).

The same Karl who said in one of his Letters to Engels that Black people are of a slightly different species to white people and not as intelligent, so the communist utopia wasn't for them. He suggested that the peoples of Africa could instead be forced to work in service of the European and Asian communist utopia (there's a word for that isn't there? Sklaveree? Slavorum? I'm sure I'll remember it soon)

And yet middle class white progressives flock to lay flowers under his shrine at Highgate Cemetary, I've heard.

Catsmere · 28/06/2024 08:57

Dear Mr Tennant,

You do know Dr Who is not a documentary, don't you?

Signed,

A member of the half the human species you so despise.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 28/06/2024 09:00

There’s really nothing rational about DT’s position.

His ‘you’ll have to go through me’ T-shirt. What does he think gender critical people want to get through him to do to his child?

I mean looking at it from another angle, you would have to get through me to give my primary aged child harmful drugs which prevented him from developing normally, and if you wanted to try to convince him that castration is a good life choice.

But the worst I’ll do to his kid is use male pronouns, which I think he’d probably survive

UtilitarianNameChange · 28/06/2024 09:05

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 27/06/2024 10:50

In the play he wasn't creepy. He was ordinary, vulnerable. Just a bit selfish and cowardly, no more than most of us. That was the point of the play and he did it very well.

Edited

We weren’t watching the same thing then!

I was talking about a TV series, so maybe it’s DT’s face on camera that’s creepy AF?

ActivePeony · 28/06/2024 09:12

GiveMeSpanakopita · 28/06/2024 08:42

When he said 'they'll all go away soon', I read that as an ageist dog whistle. The idea, expressed by other TRAs, that terfs are all bitter meddling prudish old women and we'll all die soon so no need to worry about us.

It's similar to the way progressives used to say that all Brexit and Tory voters are bitter old people and would die soon, after which the global socialist utopia would be guaranteed.

Sadly for DT, it seems he hasn't read the multiple studies showing that Gen A are the terfiest generation yet (same as progressives tend to avoid reading the studies showing the upsurge of right and centre right political sensibilities in Gen A).

But then, I sense that reading evidenced studies has never quite been DT's strong suit.

Interesting that this has been clipped in other links so his full twattishness is not shown.

CorruptedCauldron · 28/06/2024 09:12

The whingeing little f^€kers comment is awful. So, does he think traumatised detransitioners who now criticise gender ideology are whingeing little Fs? Does he think that survivors of rape and domestic abuse who campaign for female-only safe spaces are whingeing little Fs? Does he think that lesbians who refuse to date transwomen are whingeing little Fs? Does he think JK Rowling is a whingeing little F? Does he think that women who campaign for fair sport for females are whingeing little Fs? Does he think that a mother requesting a female carer for her vulnerable, disabled daughter is a whingeing little F? Does he think that those campaigning for women’s rights are whingeing little Fs if their definition of ‘women’ fails to include some people of the opposite sex? I’d love to know.

He literally wants the whingeing little Fs to die out, that’s what he means when he says this ‘tiny’ minority will go away soon.

Hepwo · 28/06/2024 09:26

He boasted about not being on social media in that speech so he hasn't a clue who he's talking about at all.

We're invisible women to him. He is quite like that foul ex Brighton MP isn't he? Nasty little wasp.

woman2womanmeetswomanparrish · 28/06/2024 09:26

Theeyeballsinthesky · 28/06/2024 08:06

Fuck me he really is a massive cunt isn’t he

It’s quite disturbing how he’s so 1000 % on board with his child’s “trans” status. God forbid said child ever decided he was just like all the other children after all.

Surely at this stage social services should be involved, this is child abuse plain and simple.

ArabellaScott · 28/06/2024 09:31

risefromyourgrave · 28/06/2024 08:01

Link to an interview that he did after telling Kemi to shut up.

https://twitter.com/Terf_Rocks/status/1806110591343329539

For those who aren’t on X/Twitter there is a transcript:

A 'tiny bunch of little whinging fuckers', David?

Good god.

UpThePankhurst · 28/06/2024 09:33

Women's rights, equalities and needs are only something wanted by 'little whinging fuckers'.

Yes.

anyone left in this country who thinks those tied up in this movement and its politics aren't frothing, swivel eyed misogynists?

ArabellaScott · 28/06/2024 09:36

It's wishful thinking, really. He is trying to diminish the psychic threat by saying it's a 'tiny' bunch, and 'little fuckers' is an attempt to dismiss, too.

Which tallies perfectly with wishing Kemi B would 'not exist' and would 'shut up'.

It's a bit sad watching a grown man doing the equivalent of sticking his fingers in his ears and having a wee tantrum.

At some point he's going to have to face his conscience.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/06/2024 09:37

Spot on @ArabellaScott it's why these people are so unhinged. They're angry about having to deal with it.

Kucinghitam · 28/06/2024 09:38

UpThePankhurst · 28/06/2024 09:33

Women's rights, equalities and needs are only something wanted by 'little whinging fuckers'.

Yes.

anyone left in this country who thinks those tied up in this movement and its politics aren't frothing, swivel eyed misogynists?

He said the quiet part out loud.

GiveMeSpanakopita · 28/06/2024 09:39

ActivePeony · 28/06/2024 09:12

Interesting that this has been clipped in other links so his full twattishness is not shown.

Well of course it would, he just wished death on Kemi, last thing his supporters need is to have to revealed that he also wishes death on a whole generation lol

My question is will there be anyone left alive once DT has managed to usher all the wrong thinkers out of existence?

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 28/06/2024 09:46

ArabellaScott · 28/06/2024 09:36

It's wishful thinking, really. He is trying to diminish the psychic threat by saying it's a 'tiny' bunch, and 'little fuckers' is an attempt to dismiss, too.

Which tallies perfectly with wishing Kemi B would 'not exist' and would 'shut up'.

It's a bit sad watching a grown man doing the equivalent of sticking his fingers in his ears and having a wee tantrum.

At some point he's going to have to face his conscience.

he must have some part of his conscience tapping him on the shoulder

I know that he and his wife are rich, so as pointed out by a PP, it’s possible they’re still giving the poor kid puberty blockers

so worst case they’re damaging his body and messing with his head

best case they’re just putting him in a position where he has to continue down this stupid path to save his parents face

CorruptedCauldron · 28/06/2024 09:59

I can’t help thinking that if he was given a superpower to literally genocide wrongthinkers, to click his fingers a certain way and make them all drop dead suddenly of natural causes - heart attacks etc, he would do it. As it’s such a tiny number, nobody would notice. 🙄

It really offends me that he thinks GC feminists don’t want people to be themselves and live their lives in peace. Of course we do. I’m happy for people to do whatever they want as long as they’re not harming anyone, just as David was preaching at the awards ceremony - we’re on the same page there, sunshine. Look more closely at that line though “as long as they’re not hurting anyone”. Did you see the picture of ‘rapist gender’ Isla in the bulging pink leggings, Doctor? Do you think that him living his best life in a women’s prison was not hurting anybody? Do you think that nobody’s hurting children if they put them on puberty blockers and opposite-sex hormones, damaging their healthy bodies? Do you think a 6ft 4 transwoman winning all the medals in women’s sport is not hurting anyone?

WickedSerious · 28/06/2024 10:11

I suspect wee Dave's idea of what constitutes 'living their lives in peace' is wildly different from that of people who actually know what they're talking about when it comes to this issue.

ArabellaScott · 28/06/2024 10:12

'Not hurting anyone' gets a bit muddled when we are looking at martyrdom and self harm.

TempestTost · 28/06/2024 10:15

UtopiaPlanitia · 28/06/2024 02:24

Discussion is always welcome Tempest 👍

I always thought that Wilde was saying that the middle class, well-meaning types who go into working with 'the poor' should properly want to or aim to create a state that makes poverty impossible; however, in reality, he believed that what they end up doing simply tinkers around the edges of the problems rather than addressing the root causes of poverty and disadvantage because in order to properly address the root causes the middle classes would have to give up a lot of their own financial and social security and way of life.

And possibly they alienate the people they're wanting to help (or to have vote for them) because they are unable to understand why the working classes largely refuse to vote for socialism. Because they don't understand that working class people are often small 'c' conservative (they definitely were and still are where I'm from) and don't always want the state to be involved in their lives more than it has to be; they often have a culture of pride and independence and don't want handouts that bring interference from government.

It's late here so I hope what I typed made sense 😬

Yes, I agree with this. I guess I am not so sure though where Wild really stood in terms of Utopian idealism over concrete help. But that's not really the point here, we are substantially in agreement imo.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/06/2024 10:16

He knows how abusive TRAs are which is why he's appealing to them with the same type of rhetoric.

TempestTost · 28/06/2024 10:21

Hepwo · 28/06/2024 09:26

He boasted about not being on social media in that speech so he hasn't a clue who he's talking about at all.

We're invisible women to him. He is quite like that foul ex Brighton MP isn't he? Nasty little wasp.

I think this is probably the answer.

He's completely unaware of any of the things we all are here. He probably really believes still that this is all scientific, all medical best practice according to robust standards, etc. That nearly everyone agrees.

And because of this, the only reason some people might disagree is that they are unredeemed bigots.

He's completely unaware that there is no foundation to this ideology. He thinks what the Good People tell him is right, just like a good little Calvinist.

ScrollingLeaves · 28/06/2024 10:50

IwantToRetire · 28/06/2024 00:42

this was typical - it wasn't just people who disagreed, but people who had sensible points or challenged the accuracy of the articles, basic things like that. All branded sexism and deleted.

Eventually they ran a special article asking for BTL comments on how to deal with disagreeing comments on feminism articles To which the reply was, stop moderating out reasonable disagreement as bigoted. They deleted those and stopped opening feminist articles for comment.

All this has something to do with where the Guardian is today.

I think I have a memory of that, but was blocked from posting.

I know now it seems silly, but I was genuinely taken aback. After all this was the Guardian, supposedly full of advanced thinkers, that had let Mary Stott start what was effectively the first online meet up for frustrated women. Had it been the DM or the Telegraph it wouldn't have been a great shock.

So in a way it was a real learning curve about just how deeply entrenched male attitudes towards women are. Clearly 70s Women's Liberation had had no impact on them whatsoever.

And is it any wonder that based on their absolute misogyny and sexism they were so open to the next stage of the backlash against women. TRAs.

Echoed of course by the current state of the Labour Party and women get more acknowledgement from the Tories.

Clearly 70s Women's Liberation had had no impact on them whatsoever.

Except for more sex and licence to abuse women and appear cool, as in sex work is work.

RedToothBrush · 28/06/2024 10:57

So who has watched the Suranne Jones Witchcraft Documentary?

I suspect Dave won't be. He should have watched it before saying 'shut up though'. Episode 2 is particularly enlightening.

Recommend.

jacksonlambsregulardisorder · 28/06/2024 10:57

TempestTost · 28/06/2024 10:21

I think this is probably the answer.

He's completely unaware of any of the things we all are here. He probably really believes still that this is all scientific, all medical best practice according to robust standards, etc. That nearly everyone agrees.

And because of this, the only reason some people might disagree is that they are unredeemed bigots.

He's completely unaware that there is no foundation to this ideology. He thinks what the Good People tell him is right, just like a good little Calvinist.

This is an interesting feature of this debate. He's a bit Dr Alice Roberts who also rejected the firmly held religion of her family but can't seem to shake off the religiosity of thought processes and belief systems.

ScrollingLeaves · 28/06/2024 10:58

risefromyourgrave · 28/06/2024 08:01

Link to an interview that he did after telling Kemi to shut up.

https://twitter.com/Terf_Rocks/status/1806110591343329539

For those who aren’t on X/Twitter there is a transcript:

Thank you.

The irony of the ‘just be yourself, just be who you are’!

Exactly. There is nothing wrong with [you] as you were born.

To trans children and then tell them they are being themselves is a contradiction in terms.