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CorruptedCauldron · 27/06/2024 11:29

He thinks he’s a white knight, galloping in to defend the honour of queer people, an edgy, anti-establishment hero who is the voice for the oppressed and marginalised. However, there’s nothing heroic about what he’s doing. He’s not taking any personal risks or putting his neck on the line. He’s a privileged luvvie, a male, who will never be negatively affected by having to share male single-sex spaces. He’ll never see a transman take a Best Actor gong off him, or deny male athletes their place on the podium. He’ll never feel vulnerable if a transman is in a changing room or toilet with him. He will happily share his single-sex spaces because he has absolutely nothing to lose. And he’s so selfish and blinkered that he thinks women who object to sharing their single-sex spaces - for very good and valid reasons - are horrible bigots who should shut up and not exist.

I hope his child is okay. I can imagine it might be hard to change your mind about being non-binary or trans if your famous dad has been shouting it from the rooftops.

RoyalCorgi · 27/06/2024 11:33

Whereas he gave a spine-chillingly convincing performance as the unbeliever whose self-interest draws him deeper and deeper into Nazism and the betrayal of his greatest friend.

He did! Ironic, isn't it?

Shortshriftandlethal · 27/06/2024 11:41

Let's remind ourselves what it is that Tennant, Butler, and many others, want Kemi Badenoch to " shut up" about:

This was in the Australian senate yesterday

SPEECH: Dangerous testosterone drugs being prescribed to thousands of Australian girls

How will history look back on young girls suffering irreversible damage because they were prescribed testosterone by a doctor who claimed they had a testicul...

https://youtu.be/bMwSxtAmvEQ?si=Jj2wytpF-wKzIXNN

EasternStandard · 27/06/2024 11:48

Shortshriftandlethal · 27/06/2024 11:41

Let's remind ourselves what it is that Tennant, Butler, and many others, want Kemi Badenoch to " shut up" about:

This was in the Australian senate yesterday

Edited

It’s madness isn’t it

RedToothBrush · 27/06/2024 12:01

David Tennant wants Kemi to shut up about the findings of the Cass Review which stated there were concerns in the Tavistock about the motivations and influence of parents on children and the lack of proper safeguarding by HCPs which was potentially causing them to transition unnecessarily due to trauma, family breakup, sexual abuse, homophobic parents, sexist parents or autism.

David Tennant just happens to be a parent to a child who is currently identifying as trans. This may or may not be relevant to why he wants Kemi to shut up.

BackToLurk · 27/06/2024 12:10

RedToothBrush · 27/06/2024 12:01

David Tennant wants Kemi to shut up about the findings of the Cass Review which stated there were concerns in the Tavistock about the motivations and influence of parents on children and the lack of proper safeguarding by HCPs which was potentially causing them to transition unnecessarily due to trauma, family breakup, sexual abuse, homophobic parents, sexist parents or autism.

David Tennant just happens to be a parent to a child who is currently identifying as trans. This may or may not be relevant to why he wants Kemi to shut up.

I've started to wonder, given that we know the impact of early childhood trauma on a sense of self, how many parents just don't want to look too hard in the mirror when their children express distress.

No, I'm not blaming all parents.

fromorbit · 27/06/2024 12:23

Love this tweet.
Helen Saxby
Our respective celebrities represent the two sides quite well I think. JK Rowling writes a considered and evidenced argument for the Times and David Tennant tells a woman to shut up and stop existing

DT's nonsense is infuriating. Yet it is also telling.
They have NOTHING. They have no arguments.

So we just need to keep grinding. If they can't silence our side they lose.

x.com

https://x.com/helensaxby11

RedToothBrush · 27/06/2024 12:34

BackToLurk · 27/06/2024 12:10

I've started to wonder, given that we know the impact of early childhood trauma on a sense of self, how many parents just don't want to look too hard in the mirror when their children express distress.

No, I'm not blaming all parents.

I don't think David wants us to consider this or talk about this.

Best do what David says.

JammyJellyfish · 27/06/2024 12:45

David Tennant tells a woman to shut up and stop existing

this is a typical male response though. It matches the whole trans movement- women shut up, us men have male privilege which allows us to stomp all over your rights with our public display of fetish behaviour for women’s clothing & appearance. And if we can get your kids on board with this as well you will have to support them or lose them.

INeedAPensieve · 27/06/2024 12:50

fromorbit · 27/06/2024 12:23

Love this tweet.
Helen Saxby
Our respective celebrities represent the two sides quite well I think. JK Rowling writes a considered and evidenced argument for the Times and David Tennant tells a woman to shut up and stop existing

DT's nonsense is infuriating. Yet it is also telling.
They have NOTHING. They have no arguments.

So we just need to keep grinding. If they can't silence our side they lose.

Women need to shut up and disappear according to DT and all the followers of this ideology.

I got told to shut up IRL about a year or so ago; granted it was a female friend doing this to me, but when I talked about the Tavistock clinic scandal and (at that point) the interim Cass report and how ROGD is a serious concern, particularly for me with a v autistic child going into primary school soon, she basically told me to shut up.

Changed the subject and said I don't want to talk about this, you are being disrespectful towards trans children. To which I replied actually no, I'm very concerned about them and the irreversible damage they are doing to themselves in a confused mental state. Then she shut the conversation down with the clincher; her partner's DN aged 14 (at the time) wanted to be a boy and I was being cruel to the DN. Never mind the fact I was only talking to her, I'd never met and would never meet her partner's DN and she and her partner do not have children so have no clue really about the realities of raising children, other than "being kind".

Reading this thread and the information from Helen Joyce and the way DT is behaving, I can see now it's the same as what my friend did. They can't hear the truth because it's too horrifying to contemplate. So they shut people up, they double down and deflect. Based on Starmer's ineffective reaction to all this, it is only going to get worse now once Labour win next week I reckon. What a mess.

ScrollingLeaves · 27/06/2024 13:02

Shortshriftandlethal · 27/06/2024 11:41

Let's remind ourselves what it is that Tennant, Butler, and many others, want Kemi Badenoch to " shut up" about:

This was in the Australian senate yesterday

Edited

Quite.

Datun · 27/06/2024 13:15

They have NOTHING. They have no arguments.

This. They never have had. There is no argument. That's why it has to be no debate and be kind.

Or else.

and in this case, please cease to exist.

UtopiaPlanitia · 27/06/2024 14:31

ilovesushi · 26/06/2024 22:00

Someone may already have linked to it, but I thought the Telegraph podcast coverage was great.

I really enjoyed that discussion Sushi, thanks for posting it to the thread 👍

UtopiaPlanitia · 27/06/2024 14:48

Shortshriftandlethal · 27/06/2024 11:41

Let's remind ourselves what it is that Tennant, Butler, and many others, want Kemi Badenoch to " shut up" about:

This was in the Australian senate yesterday

Edited

I admire Chandler’s persistence and determination in addressing the issues like these, that negatively affect girls and women, despite the hostility and sometimes indifference from other Australian legislators.

lcakethereforeIam · 27/06/2024 15:00

Douglas Murray mentions Tennant in this article

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/david-tennants-pride-and-prejudice/

He's has a way with words. I was able to read it by opening in incognito. There's a link to Julie Burchill giving her opinion on the wee luvvy.

I've a friend who really fancies DT. I've never got it. I've said before he's always looked to me like he's taken his bottom set out.

David Tennant’s pride and prejudice

As all non-bigoted readers will know, this is the holy and most ancient month of Pride. The time of year when – like our ancestors of yore – we bedeck our banks, supermarkets and public buildings with the latest variant of the rainbow flag. For a while...

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/david-tennants-pride-and-prejudice

Datun · 27/06/2024 15:07

ScrollingLeaves · 27/06/2024 13:02

Quite.

That's unbelievable. And I still don't get it. It's not a loophole, the doctors are lying.

UtopiaPlanitia · 27/06/2024 15:12

Datun they are lying but they might justify it to themselves by saying these ‘men’ were born without the testicles that natal men have and thus need exogenous supplementation. I’ve seen things like this argued before that natal bodies conforming to expected norms for male and female are actually birth defects in queer people.

Datun · 27/06/2024 16:32

UtopiaPlanitia · 27/06/2024 15:12

Datun they are lying but they might justify it to themselves by saying these ‘men’ were born without the testicles that natal men have and thus need exogenous supplementation. I’ve seen things like this argued before that natal bodies conforming to expected norms for male and female are actually birth defects in queer people.

Edited

Okay, thanks. Well least I understand it now. It's still lying. But thank you for the explanation!

Tryingtodobetter82 · 27/06/2024 16:52

Totally agree 😤

IwantToRetire · 27/06/2024 17:40

Just catching up with thread but refering back to Guardian comments.

I cant quite work out how long ago, but when it was relatively new for the Guardian to allow readers to comment on line. (15? 20? years)

Not sure about other sections, but anything about women / feminism was heavily censored - basically if a woman expressed an opinion that didn't tally with artilce it was deleted. This was long before the gender identity issue being written about. This was about basic feminist issues.

It was quite an eye opener for many women who just sort of assumed as the paper that first had a women's page that was a bit political (thank you Mary Stott#1 who must wondered what has happened to her intentions).

But any doubts that this was maybe about having women with a different analysis of feminist were quickly dismissed as the Guardian then appointed a man who often came on the comments to reprimand women for their thoughts (remind you of anyone) was then appointed to write articles about women / women's issuse. The sucess of the TRAs is because of the underlying much more deeply engrained MRAs that still openly exist.

I got banned for not toeing the line (I think it was 3 strikes and you are out) and still have an email account registered with them, but it is so long ago I cant actually access the email.

So the later dominance of Katherine Viner's committment to queer politics, and Own Jones being allowed to take precedence ove women journalists isn't a surprise.

It makes you suspect that many men on the left actually dont care about trans issues but out of spite align with it to have the "legitimate" position to tell women they are wrong. Their dreams come true.

#1 For anyone who doesn't know about Mary Stott here is a link to a R4 Great Lives series. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00xpp68 I didn't choose to link to obituaries in the Guardian because by then they were well and truely into "gender" and made it quite clear they had no idea about women's politics.

BBC Radio 4 - Great Lives, Mary Stott

Katharine Whitehorn chooses journalist and campaigner Mary Stott.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00xpp68

molotovcupcakes · 27/06/2024 20:11

Grammarnut · 27/06/2024 08:52

Has anyone noticed that Dawn Butler (Lab) agrees with Tennant. Not all black women agree with Badenoch, she has said (sorry, on news last night with interview of shadow education minister, so it's reported) and she herself stands with Tennant. I am guessing that many black women agree with Badenoch on sex segregated spaces, so Butler is wrong about that aspect of their agreement, I would think.

Dawn Butler said this after Cass:

All trans children and young people deserve access to high-quality and timely healthcare and support. Around 100 studies have not been included in the Cass report, and we need to know why.[Official Report, 22 April 2024; Vol. 748, c. 663.] (Correction) The Secretary of State is obviously not concerned about the way that the Cass report has been used to perpetuate a broader hostile environment towards trans people in the UK—a hostile environment created in part by the Government’s delay in reforming the Gender Recognition Act 2004.

She tries to undermine Cass by saying that Cass has not included all the studies and she tries to undermine Badenoch but what Badenoch said was that she was 'the only black woman in the Government' and that at the moment is true, Labour haven't won yet.

Loved Julie Burchills comment on Tennant in the Spectator that:

David Tennant has shown his true colours. Maybe he’ll regenerate as a decent human being one day.

lcakethereforeIam · 27/06/2024 20:16

Dawn Butler had to apologise for misleading Parliament, claimed she was misled by Stonewall didn't she. There's a lot of it about.

Catsmere · 27/06/2024 20:28

lcakethereforeIam · 27/06/2024 15:00

Douglas Murray mentions Tennant in this article

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/david-tennants-pride-and-prejudice/

He's has a way with words. I was able to read it by opening in incognito. There's a link to Julie Burchill giving her opinion on the wee luvvy.

I've a friend who really fancies DT. I've never got it. I've said before he's always looked to me like he's taken his bottom set out.

Good article, and I agree with his points.

(On the DT fanciable or not topic, I liked him as Dr Who, but haven't seen him since, and looking at him now, oh dear ... and men like to think they "age like fine wine"!)

porridgecake · 27/06/2024 20:32

Every day brings further proof of the level of stupidity around us. I am instinctively inclined towards labour principles, but the thought of Dawn Butler having responsibility for anything that affects other people fills me with gloom.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 27/06/2024 20:43

Ah Tbf dawn butler is responsible for one of the best MN threads of all time when she threatened to call the police on us 😆