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GeorgeOrwellsTurningGrave · 26/06/2024 08:31

"....have you never told anyone to shut up...?"

"Never as a man telling a government minister to shut up about womens rights and child safeguarding, though."

Agree. But lets not lose sight of the context: he's an influential man. An influential man who has sway over young people. And influential man who happens to be rich. And, I'll take the observations of people who've met him here, an influential man who is deeply vain so won't be thinking of others (not even his poor son)

That this ridiculous man is listened to is disturbing. That this ridiculous man is abusing his male child to bolster himself is despicable.

In the long run, however he will likely be alive long enough to see what happens when you drive head first over the cliff of stupidity, with your child in the passenger seat. And I honestly don't wish that on anyone.

Why none of these activists can't think beyond what they support now, amazes me.

RufustheFactualReindeer · 26/06/2024 08:33

mrstrickland · 26/06/2024 08:07

It's like a watching a pack of hyenas on this thread. Do any of you think for yourselves?

(have none of you ever told someone to shut up before.....?)

People are allowed their opinions how ever much you don’t want them to express them

doesnt mean they are acting like ‘hyenas’ or that they are not thinking for themselves

DramaLlamaBangBang · 26/06/2024 08:37

Anecdotally, from my 16 year old son the generation below the 25-35 are far less enamoured with the trans rights movement than the ones before. A group of girls in his school socially transitioned at the age of 13, but once one person in their group left, they have now all changed back. None of them are bothered about pronouns. Luckily, they weren't shoved enthusiastically down a medical pathway by their parents or paraded in public. The tide is turning on this, and Tennant and his mates will have to face up to what they have said and done. But they probably won't.

KnittedCardi · 26/06/2024 08:43

What's the difference therefore in this statement to the one made by the Tory donor about Diane Abbott. Will he be vilified and cancelled, or does that only apply to right wing donors. Tennant gets a by because he is a leftie luvvie?

In my mind both equally odious little men with dangerously inflated opinions.

ArabellaScott · 26/06/2024 08:48

mrstrickland · 26/06/2024 08:07

It's like a watching a pack of hyenas on this thread. Do any of you think for yourselves?

(have none of you ever told someone to shut up before.....?)

Pack of hyenas is a new one, I think. Usually, we're called 'vipers'.

Violetparis · 26/06/2024 08:48

Kathleen Stock is on Times Radio in a minute talking about this.

ArabellaScott · 26/06/2024 08:49

ArabellaScott · 26/06/2024 08:48

Pack of hyenas is a new one, I think. Usually, we're called 'vipers'.

I suppose these are all general alternatives to 'bitches' or 'cows'.

BiggerBoat1 · 26/06/2024 08:49

He definitely got the tone wrong but I agree that Kemi B is dreadful and I too would be pleased never to hear her opinions again.
This is not a racist attack though - it’s an attack on her views which is valid. The language was wrong though and I hope he apologises.

PurpleWhiteGreen123 · 26/06/2024 08:49

I ignore people I don't like on social media. I prefer not to add oxygen to these utter morons. It's all about likes and online engagement these days. Best to scroll on by.

TWETMIRF · 26/06/2024 08:53

His father was a priest, I thought christians were supposed to love thy neighbour. Seems to be love thy neighbour unless they think the wrong thoughts in which case they become subhuman and then anything goes

GlomOfNit · 26/06/2024 08:58

I loathe a lot of what KB has said and stands for: the fact that on extreme gender ideology she is sensible is as unremarkable as agreeing with a far right-winger that the sky is very blue this morning. She comes at this issue from a different direction from me (I assume) and for different reasons - courting the conservative family values part of the electorate and her party being the main one.

But. There is something really distasteful about a privileged man telling a woman to shut up. More so when it's a black woman in politics (I know KB comes from a very privileged background herself but we are kidding ourselves if we pretend it isn't double the struggle to get to that sort of position if you're a woman AND black). To say - even if he could discount it as a figure of speech - that actually he'd rather she didn't exist at all, is appalling. He needs to step back and take a look at what he's saying.

I think whatever is going on with one of his children is something he should be keeping private and in the family, given the age of the child. If it really IS the 9 year old, then by now and at this stage, post-Cass, surely most sensible parents would be thinking very carefully about how to proceed? His 9 year old may not thank him and Georgia Tennant for all this enthusiastic flag-waving and cookie-scoring when they're a bit older. Sad

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 26/06/2024 09:01

IwantToRetire · 25/06/2024 20:25

Okey dokey wokey blokey

Oh yes! Could we have a thread with this as the title?

Not just to list those in the public eye, but some we have to contend with in our own lives. May have to omit names of last group but some indication of the context.

I can't claim credit for this one, but the sound appealed to me, and it seemed apt in this case. No copyright, so fill yer boots.

sundaysathome · 26/06/2024 09:02

can those who loathe Kemi and what she stands for, say what they loathe?

Shortshriftandlethal · 26/06/2024 09:03

From the Times :

"Kemi Badenoch has said that she will not “shut up” over the rights of women after David Tennant said he wished she did not exist"

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/kemi-badenoch-david-tennant-shut-up-trans-labour-nrws0dbmk

Mylovelygreendress · 26/06/2024 09:05

sundaysathome · 26/06/2024 09:02

can those who loathe Kemi and what she stands for, say what they loathe?

I don’t want to think it’s because she is a WOC but rather that she is a Tory and they are the scum of the earth according to MN

TWETMIRF · 26/06/2024 09:08

It's funny how the TRAs say that we deny their existence when all the death threats come from their side. Saying that he wishes she doesn't exist is just more of the same hypocrisy of accusing us of doing what they are.

cupcaske123 · 26/06/2024 09:09

sundaysathome · 26/06/2024 09:02

can those who loathe Kemi and what she stands for, say what they loathe?

She's a cognitive Goliath and anyone who says otherwise is racist and wants her dead hates women and abuses their kids!

David Tennant wants all black women to DIE!

Let the feeding frenzy continue.

EasternStandard · 26/06/2024 09:12

cupcaske123 · 26/06/2024 09:09

She's a cognitive Goliath and anyone who says otherwise is racist and wants her dead hates women and abuses their kids!

David Tennant wants all black women to DIE!

Let the feeding frenzy continue.

And your answer to the question?

WickedSerious · 26/06/2024 09:16

cupcaske123 · 26/06/2024 09:09

She's a cognitive Goliath and anyone who says otherwise is racist and wants her dead hates women and abuses their kids!

David Tennant wants all black women to DIE!

Let the feeding frenzy continue.

Wrong thread?

cupcaske123 · 26/06/2024 09:17

EasternStandard · 26/06/2024 09:12

And your answer to the question?

She's a cognitive Goliath. She should have replaced the Queen. In fact Charles is racist for not not giving her the opportunity.

The Conservatives are racist and woman hating for not appointing her as leader. Her constituents are racist for not thinking much of her. They probably abuse their children too.

The woman can't put a step wrong.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 26/06/2024 09:17

cupcaske123 · 26/06/2024 09:09

She's a cognitive Goliath and anyone who says otherwise is racist and wants her dead hates women and abuses their kids!

David Tennant wants all black women to DIE!

Let the feeding frenzy continue.

Passive aggressive snark aside, what's the issue with her?

cupcaske123 · 26/06/2024 09:18

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 26/06/2024 09:17

Passive aggressive snark aside, what's the issue with her?

I've already answered the question. As you were.

Equanimitas · 26/06/2024 09:19

sundaysathome · 26/06/2024 09:02

can those who loathe Kemi and what she stands for, say what they loathe?

Support for leaving the European Convention on Human Rights, for one. It's just extraordinary that any government minister should support our leaving the convention we were largely responsible for bringing into being. The sheer dishonesty involved in doing this just because the European Court might rightly find the Rwanda legislation to be contrary to convention rights is mind-blowing. It also has serious implications for women's rights.

yourhairiswinterfire · 26/06/2024 09:19

mrstrickland · 26/06/2024 08:07

It's like a watching a pack of hyenas on this thread. Do any of you think for yourselves?

(have none of you ever told someone to shut up before.....?)

How patronising. Just because the majority on this thread have an opinion that you don't share, doesn't mean posters aren't thinking for themselves.

A man singled out a woman and stated he wants her to 'not exist' anymore because she has different opinions and politics to him. His mask slipped and people are obviously going to react to that, it just won't all be fawning and applause he desperately craves.