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TempestTost · 25/06/2024 21:19

In what way are her views on immigration bigoted? I'm not surprised that political progressives would disagree, but bigoted means something else imo.

ScrapeMyArse · 25/06/2024 21:20

I'm further left than most of the labour party.

But I'm over the tribalism. It is far too close to the bigotry we're trying to get rid of.

I don't agree with most of Kemi's politics (except women's rights) but I strongly support her right to speak, to not shut up, and to be an MP.

I want a socialist government.

I don't want a state where dissenting thought is silenced.

Immigration is mentioned upthread. Immigration is my favourite thing about the city I live in. Do you all seriously believe that these diverse people from all over the world agree with every one of your political ideas?! Of course they don't. Do you want them to shut up too?

You cannot claim to embrace diversity whilst advocating for a totalitarian state or a curtain twitching postcard perfect village which repels difference.

woman2womanmeetswomanparrish · 25/06/2024 21:20

IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 25/06/2024 20:48

"Until we wake up and Kemi Badenoch doesn't exist anymore..." is ABSOLUTELY wishing her harm.

Exactly, he wants a black woman dead.

MaidOfAle · 25/06/2024 21:26

woman2womanmeetswomanparrish · 25/06/2024 19:34

There's going to be a lot of disappointed Dr Who fans now he's exposed himself as a racist bigot, I imagine they'll be meetings at the BBC tomorrow reguarding pulling his episodes from iPlayer.

😂

Absolutelyfractious · 25/06/2024 21:37

15 years ago, his kid would've just been some beautiful misfit, running around with all the other misfits, maybe eventually starting a band, going to gigs, getting a piercing or tattoo.

These days, all these kinds of kids join the alphabet tribe and some of their parents, instead of raising an eyebrow and letting it run it's course get all virtuous and 'educated' and sanctimonious.

And start to tell everyone to 'shut up'.

Like we couldn't possibly understand what's going on.

No, we know only too well and we have something to say about it too.

AtrociousCircumstance · 25/06/2024 21:38

Pathetic, entitled, arrogant man - amongst so many others.

DramaLlamaBangBang · 25/06/2024 21:43

LondonLass61 · 25/06/2024 20:57

I agree. I'll never be a Tory and could also never be a socialist because of the ones in my family. Also many (male dominated) unions have failed to support women in the past as there is, I believe a perception that men's jobs are more important.

Yep. The Unions and a certain type of middle class Lefty Labour membership will never elect a female as leader of the Labour Party.

Hepwo · 25/06/2024 21:45

Absolutelyfractious · 25/06/2024 21:37

15 years ago, his kid would've just been some beautiful misfit, running around with all the other misfits, maybe eventually starting a band, going to gigs, getting a piercing or tattoo.

These days, all these kinds of kids join the alphabet tribe and some of their parents, instead of raising an eyebrow and letting it run it's course get all virtuous and 'educated' and sanctimonious.

And start to tell everyone to 'shut up'.

Like we couldn't possibly understand what's going on.

No, we know only too well and we have something to say about it too.

He is literally transparent.

LunaNorth · 25/06/2024 21:45

Just seen a pic of him at Pride, wearing a t-shirt saying ‘you’ll have to go through me.’

Which is ironic, because that’s what sensible parents with kids who are caught up in this nonsense have been trying to say to schools for years.

MaidOfAle · 25/06/2024 21:49

cupcaske123 · 25/06/2024 21:05

Her views on colonisation and institutionalised racism are interesting.

What, that white men turned up and replaced the existing indigenous rulers whilst day-to-day life went largely unchanged for the majority of people?

Yes, Kemi has made the point that colonialism was basically the same as the Normans turning up to England in 1066 and replacing the Saxon earls with Norman earls. And she's right, right down to the Harrying of the North retribution against rebels.

How dare a Black woman born in a formerly-colonised nation understand history and be able to pattern-match! ⬅ sarcasm

Helleofabore · 25/06/2024 22:02

Topseyt123 · 25/06/2024 15:49

Yes. I did. I have no issue with it.

I've never liked my MP or anything she witters on about. I will be voting tactically in the election in the vain hope that she might be unseated.

So because you don’t like her, you agree with him that she personally shouldn’t exist?

cupcaske123 · 25/06/2024 22:02

MaidOfAle · 25/06/2024 21:49

What, that white men turned up and replaced the existing indigenous rulers whilst day-to-day life went largely unchanged for the majority of people?

Yes, Kemi has made the point that colonialism was basically the same as the Normans turning up to England in 1066 and replacing the Saxon earls with Norman earls. And she's right, right down to the Harrying of the North retribution against rebels.

How dare a Black woman born in a formerly-colonised nation understand history and be able to pattern-match! ⬅ sarcasm

You obviously understand history and are worth engaging with.

Don't assume you know my heritage.

cupcaske123 · 25/06/2024 22:03

UtilitarianNameChange · 25/06/2024 21:18

What, that continuing to blame historical colonialism for problems in the present day infantilises the non-white people that live, work, vote in and run those former colonial countries and that people who do this are (probably) motivated by the soft bigotry of low expectations?

That's not what she said.

cupcaske123 · 25/06/2024 22:04

woman2womanmeetswomanparrish · 25/06/2024 21:20

Exactly, he wants a black woman dead.

Course he does.

molotovcupcakes · 25/06/2024 22:11

His ability to chant out the trans propaganda has been recognised and they've given him a little award!
It's only encouraged him and he is going to come out with a lot more little nasty thoughts about women who disagree with him.

MaidOfAle · 25/06/2024 22:41

cupcaske123 · 25/06/2024 22:02

You obviously understand history and are worth engaging with.

Don't assume you know my heritage.

I don't think I indicated anywhere that I did?

I did interpret your use of the term "interesting" as sarcastic. Did I get that wrong? If so, I'm sorry.

yourhairiswinterfire · 25/06/2024 22:48

cupcaske123 · 25/06/2024 22:04

Course he does.

Is there a way for a person to stop existing without dying?

What else could he have possibly meant when he said 'however, until we wake up and Kemi Badenoch doesn’t exist anymore…'?

ScrollingLeaves · 25/06/2024 22:58

Thank you.

It’s good that article went on to report on those latest Labour revelations.

They missed though that in the case of GRCs only one GP instead of two would be needed, and the spousal clause removed. And in the case of conversion therapy, unfortunately, far too little was explained.

AmadeustheAlpaca · 25/06/2024 23:27

I'm late to this thread. I wonder if DT"s career is showing signs of decline and I suspect that a number of influential TV and entertainment industry people are quietly closing their doors to him as they find his attitude regarding his trans child distasteful.
That's why he is so vocal about trans rights, he may need the assistance of media trans supporters for employment later on. I think that the poster who thought his criticism of Kemi was a substitute for criticism of another well known woman is spot on.
His poor child, he must be having a crap time at school.

dougalfromthemagicroundabout · 25/06/2024 23:39

“A rich, leftie, white male celebrity so blinded by ideology he can’t see the optics of attacking the only black woman in government by calling publicly for my existence to end … Tennant is one of Labour’s celebrity supporters. This is an early example of what life will be like if they win.”

I think Kemi's right.

The irony of Tennant saying that people are bigoted against trans people and then wishing death upon a black woman minister who dares to speak her mind - as Kemi points out the only black woman in government. From my very quick research, only 5 women of colour have ever held cabinet positions. So if you want to talk minority groups, that's definitely a minority. It's quite difficult to become a cabinet minister, I'd imagine, if you 'shut up' all the time, so Tennant obviously doesn't think women of colour like KB should be allowed to be in cabinet positions. So progressive.

Seriously, Tennant, you're obviously the one who's bigoted and just plain abusive. Misogyny on steroids.

dougalfromthemagicroundabout · 25/06/2024 23:42

Just imagine being a vocally TRA celebrities' trans child and thinking you might want to desist. There would be no way out.

As Cass put it 'social transition is not a neutral act'. Social transition in the public glare of the media is even less of a neutral act and frankly, isn't putting the child's wellbeing first.

And looking after your own child for a day including a packed lunch is extremely basic parenting for which no-one should get praise. FFS.

FrancescaContini · 25/06/2024 23:44

DramaLlamaBangBang · 25/06/2024 20:13

I don't know how anyone could read that and not think it is an utter tragedy for those children

You have to feel very sorry for the children who carry the burden of their parents’ desire to be on-trend. A nine-year-old is “non binary” - WTH does this even mean? Let this child play with Lego and eat ice cream and climb trees and have fun with friends and just being a CHILD, not an identity.

dougalfromthemagicroundabout · 25/06/2024 23:50

How awful to be constantly told you're 'non-binary' and then go through puberty, which will be a sexed puberty and hard enough without the added distress of reality denying indoctrination up to that point.

Obviously, the medical experimentation on children that is puberty blockers is even worse, but gaslighting children into believing sex isn't real is pretty bad.

lonelywater · 25/06/2024 23:57

woman2womanmeetswomanparrish · 25/06/2024 21:20

Exactly, he wants a black woman dead.

don't be so bloody daft. wising some one silent is a millions miles away from wanting them dead. For the avoidance of doubt, I regard hims as a complete twat who has really guzzled the Kool aid and spouts complete and utter fucking nonsense, so there is that.