Trans people; why is it our responsibility?

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Okay, so trans identifying folks say that they need access to women's spaces because they aren't safe in men's spaces. I get that, but it is a problem caused by men. Therefore the solution should be about men, not women. So why isn't the main focus on targeting these men, campaigning for harsher penalties for such hate crimes? Why instead are they expecting women to compensate them for male behavior, making ourselves feel less safe in the process?

I would love for a trans identifying person to answer that question.
Has anyone here ever asked a trans person this question and received an honest answer?

I'm not hardcore "terf" as I respect everyone's right to decide who and what they are. My problem with it is when it conflicts with other people's rights to safety and security. I would really like to them to tell us why the violent men who cause this problem are being let off the hook and women are the ones targeted with all this anti-terf hate.

How many trans women do you hear quoted or reported in the media? How many trans men?
Now consider who has the most power.

Also, you didn't answer my question from the previous post.

If we are not permitted to describe someone based on their biological sex if they object/don't like that, how can you define what a transwoman IS?
What is a transwoman please?
What is a woman?

Can a woman be a transwoman? If not, why not?

A transwoman will retain the right to a title if he transitions, a transman can't jump the queue to a title by transitioning. So if a Duke has a son and then a daughter and both of them transition, the son will still take over the title. Penis people are more important

I have never seen any such statistics regarding toilets. I'm not much concerned about toilets. I'm very concerned about places like DV and SA crisis centers, where women are particularly vulnerable.

Well put. I agree.

Look up Katie Dolatowski if you're not concerned about toilets

I don't agree that toilets are not an issue.

Women use toilets for a lot more than taking advantage of the facilities.
They are used as a space where we can have a reasonable expectation of not being in the presence of a male.
They are sometimes used by drunk / incapacitated women, for example at nightclubs or bars.
They are sometimes used by women in other vulnerable states or sickness/illness.
They are a place where a woman might be in a state of undress/ partial undress.

In short, they are used by all sorts of women.
And regardless of the women using the space, we should have a reasonable expectation that it is only other women using that space.

I don't care much about toilets. They are in public places where the risk is low. Toilet assaults are pretty rare. However, picture this. Suppose a man was seeking to get at and harm his wife who was in a domestic violence shelter. He could claim he's an abused woman to get in and kill her. Imagine a rapist claiming he's a woman to get into a rape crisis centre and access vulnerable women.
Would it happen often? Probably not. But it could.
Why should women accept that risk?
It isn't transphobia to be concerned about things like that.

It is. How is that relevant to the question?

How are we supposed to know? Are we going to examine their genitals at the door? Or peer at transwomen who are getting changed, to see if we can spot a penis? Obviously if someone is flashing their dick, it's obvious they've got one, but otherwise? We can tell they are men, but we don't know about their genitals.

Well said. That's how I look at it.

You don't sound like someone from The Uk with your use of words like Brit, Restroom and Folk.
Trans people do of course have a right to exist. Men do not hav ethe rightbto access women only spaces

Toilet assaults are rare because men are not allowed in the women's facilities, though a colleague of mine had a near-miss with a nasty man on the janitorial staff years ago, rescued because a female cleaner, who knew him and didn't trust him, was on the lookout, and could eject him forcefully because he had no right to be there.

I addition, menstruating woman are entitled to not have strange men watching them while they cope with stuff. Particularly from strange men with Dylan Mulvaney type obsessions.

Would you be worried about men in a unisex toilet facility?

No.
Because if it is clearly marked as UNISEX then I can have a reasonable expectation that there will probably be some men in there, and make an INFORMED choice to use that space.
Unlike when men use a women's space through deception.

Male staff are allowed in female toilets. There is usually a sign if this is the case but they are allowed to be there

Very few women are pedophiles. There are ten male child molesters for every one female, according to a review of available research.

If it was in a public, well-lit area with fairly busy traffic I wouldn't be worried about assault. Experience has made me wary of male hygiene standards in shared facilities (for example loos on trains).

A tiny percentage of men are pedophiles. A much larger percentage of men fetishise and predate on teenagers.

Fair point if you are worried about men in these spaces then this makes more sense to me as someone who isn’t worried about unisex toilets (as long as it’s cubicles only) I didn’t really get what people had an issue with.
technically the trans women are allowed in women’s spaces it isn’t deception in this case. Unless you mean a man pretending to be trans in order to be a predator then this is deception

I didn't say they did, just that transwomen are demanding more privileges in asking women to accommodate them in their spaces.

This man was quite specifically not allowed in female toilets and had been informed of that in writing (copied to his union rep) more than once.

What about a man whose trans identity is specifically predatory? Thinking Barbie Kardashian among others.

'trans' and 'predator' are not always or even usually found together, but are not mutually exclusive.

I just wanted to thank everyone for participating in this thread. I didn't expect nearly so many posts. I wanted to be able to respond to everyone, but my typing fingers are getting sore. So please forgive me if I didn't get back to you.

I wonder if statistically women and children are more prayed upon by cis-women/men in women’s spaces or trans women 🤔
I don’t know the statistics