Trans people; why is it our responsibility?

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Okay, so trans identifying folks say that they need access to women's spaces because they aren't safe in men's spaces. I get that, but it is a problem caused by men. Therefore the solution should be about men, not women. So why isn't the main focus on targeting these men, campaigning for harsher penalties for such hate crimes? Why instead are they expecting women to compensate them for male behavior, making ourselves feel less safe in the process?

I would love for a trans identifying person to answer that question.
Has anyone here ever asked a trans person this question and received an honest answer?

I'm not hardcore "terf" as I respect everyone's right to decide who and what they are. My problem with it is when it conflicts with other people's rights to safety and security. I would really like to them to tell us why the violent men who cause this problem are being let off the hook and women are the ones targeted with all this anti-terf hate.

I'm no more afraid of transwomen than I am of other men. I am much more suspicious of their intentions though as a man that pushes his way into women's spaces is someone that shows they don't respect boundaries.

Women aren't afraid of transwomen.
They are afraid of men.
Because statistically, they are at much greater danger from men.

Transwomen are men.

If they cared about the distress they cause to women by using their spaces, they would stop.

They don't.

YOU might not care about men sharing your spaces, but plenty of women do, and women's rights are not for those women to give away.

I'm not afraid of transpeople, I am however sick to my back teeth of male privilege, audacity, entitlement and their propensity towards violence.

Men are a problem.

I'm one of these. I am also a breastfeeding support worker in a voluntary capacity and I basically can't do it anymore because of the rights of men being privileged above a woman.

I absolutely do want mixed sex toilets ALONGSIDE single sex toilets. I don't mind if other people want to share, in some situations (depending upon design) I might not mind myself, but I do insist on being able to choose.

Changing rooms should always be single sex or fully private and lockable family facilities.

Most of us have been on the receiving end of male harassment, sexist verbal abuse, groping and unwanted physical contact, exhibitionism, and outright assault repeatedly throughout our adult lives. 'Adult' meaning after the age of 12 or 13.

Not wanting males in spaces where we will be partly or wholly naked, and physically incapable of fast retreat, is entirely rational, and we don't need 'transphobic propaganda' to know that.

My rights to choose single sex spaces are mine to choose to use or not .... they are not yours to take.
And, other womens rights are not mine or yours to give away.

That's true of some of them, but surely are a minority are violent.
I wonder if having being raised male, they have a feeling of entitlement that women should do things for them and a belief (whether they are conscious of it or not) that those born female are beneath them.
The beliefs one develops in the formative years tend to stay.

Agree. In no world is that a fair or effective solution to the problem of male violence.

I‘m afraid times they are a changing and we are moving further away from transphobia being acceptable more and more every day. It’s literally UK law not to discriminate against trans people already.

Sorry, I don't get all the Brit specific references. I'm Canadian.

Is discrimination against the trans community illegal in Canada? It seems like a progressive place that wouldn’t tolerate discrimination

I'm fine with them believing they are women. Does it mean I trust them, since they were raised male, with all the entitlement that goes with it? Nope. If that makes me hardcore terf, then fuck it, I am.

Since when is a phobia of any sort unacceptable or anyone else's business?
Now come into my space as a man, and that is my business.

Is there an issue with sexism against women in Canada? I really thought Canada was a safe nice respectful place!

Not with Mr Sparkle Socks in charge.

Depending on where you live I would imagine that they are supported by the law and that you might be the one acting in an unlawful way if you discriminated against them.

That's insane, if they think that's hardcore.

Like reminding them that they're men?

That sort of discrimination?

You want to take away trans women’s rights?

As the old Chinese curse goes, we are living in interesting times.

I feel, like others it seems, that I have no problem with men being transwomen (TIM) but that as they are still biologically men, they are a subset of men not women.

So... rather than telling women to 'be kind' and let TIM in our spaces and sports, men should be told to 'be kind' to TIM and be polite to them in men's spaces, and as for sports - doesn't matter what you look like or what kit you wear TIM can carry on competing in the male / open category.

Yes that is illegal in the UK. I can’t speak for everywhere but that seems completely unreasonable to me as a Brit!

Their rights to what?

Wanting to retain women's rights to dignity, privacy and safety is not "transphobia".
Biological reality is not "transphobia".