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RedToothBrush · 22/06/2024 09:11

Theeyeballsinthesky · 22/06/2024 09:09

goodness I didn’t expect a derail to be off and running so early in the thread

back to the fabulous JKR who is helping to ensure that when Labour get in their feet will be held to the fire on this because the opposition parties certainly won’t (lib dems /greens/snp - captured and tories in their own self inflicted melt down )

The same JKR who puts her hand in her pocket to support women's charities.

And pays her taxes.

IdLikeToBeAFraser · 22/06/2024 09:12

I have planned to vote Labour, while holding my nose. But I am really hoping that at labour hq right now they are running around screaming, "fuck!!! We thought we could just brush this under the carpet but we can't now". Because like a pp, I don't think.Starmer believes this shit. He's just not bothered to properly spend the time thinking about what he does believe and how to articulate it. But maybe, now it's literally on the front page of The Times, spelled out in very simple.language.... he might be forced to come out firmly.

MPs like.Stella Creasy are, I believe, completely unable to actually change their minds or their statements. They are so busy being "allies" they have lost all rational thought. But I really really hope the rest of the party wakes up now. I think they thought the risk of being "anti trans" [sic] was greater than the risk of supporting women and this might be a big dose of cold water.

Or they will continue to pretend its not happening and I might actually have to vote for someone else and I just don't see how that is helpful to the country as a whole.

ActivePeony · 22/06/2024 09:13

RedToothBrush · 22/06/2024 09:09

It's fascinating to see the blame deflected onto people who 'voted or campaigned wrongly' rather than even a smidge of self examination over why a party which was known to be further to the left of the general population as a whole, didn't connect with the electorate and why they didn't like the attitude of Momentum supporters.

Yes. It was all the fault of the Right Wing Press and no member of the general public came across one of these activists directly and was totally switched off by them...

Strangely, I'd argue it was the first 'twitter' election, so a lot of campaigning was done through social media rather than the mass media. That did cause a lot more of this direct exposure...

Yes it's madness. LOJ is the king of this behaviour. It's a feature not a bug.

ActivePeony · 22/06/2024 09:14

RedToothBrush · 22/06/2024 09:11

The same JKR who puts her hand in her pocket to support women's charities.

And pays her taxes.

Yes. What a monster she is. 🙄

RedToothBrush · 22/06/2024 09:14

'skwawkbox'

Fucking hell.

In 2018 / 2019 which websites were pushing the No Debate shit hardest?

"Oh no it was the right wing of the labour party what made me do it gov..."

Are you campaigning for Reform? Cos it sounds like it. Are you a Reform-Bot?

RedToothBrush · 22/06/2024 09:17

ActivePeony · 22/06/2024 09:14

Yes. What a monster she is. 🙄

The EViL JKR who set up Beira's Place and took on a woman who had illegally been forced out her job by a man.

EvIL I tell you. eViL.

IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 22/06/2024 09:18

Lammy, too, has form on the vexed question of cervixes: “A cervix, I understand, is something you can have following various procedures and hormone treatments.” It’s very hard not to suspect that some of these men don’t know what a cervix is, but consider it too unimportant to Google.

As always, she is spot on.

Halfemptyhalfling · 22/06/2024 09:19

I think this is poor timing. There are no parties supporting gender critical beliefs (despite conservative posturing trans rights became prominent while they were in power) Labour are it seemsmoving away from trans rights anyway. If this blows up labour could lose votes from women or gen z so better to wait until after election. In the election the most important things are people can't afford food, housing or to have children

Citrusandginger · 22/06/2024 09:20

IdLikeToBeAFraser · 22/06/2024 09:12

I have planned to vote Labour, while holding my nose. But I am really hoping that at labour hq right now they are running around screaming, "fuck!!! We thought we could just brush this under the carpet but we can't now". Because like a pp, I don't think.Starmer believes this shit. He's just not bothered to properly spend the time thinking about what he does believe and how to articulate it. But maybe, now it's literally on the front page of The Times, spelled out in very simple.language.... he might be forced to come out firmly.

MPs like.Stella Creasy are, I believe, completely unable to actually change their minds or their statements. They are so busy being "allies" they have lost all rational thought. But I really really hope the rest of the party wakes up now. I think they thought the risk of being "anti trans" [sic] was greater than the risk of supporting women and this might be a big dose of cold water.

Or they will continue to pretend its not happening and I might actually have to vote for someone else and I just don't see how that is helpful to the country as a whole.

I do hope you are right. My postal ballot has arrived so I will be voting early. Boundary changes and the retirement of a respected local Tory MP means that I have the opportunity to vote positively for better public services and I want to vote labour for that reason.

If this article and surrounding coverage makes KS realise that women and their votes matter it might get it over the line for me.

You have a few days Keir. Use them wisely.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 22/06/2024 09:21

Why is it that there is always something more important than the rights of 50% of the population?

ActivePeony · 22/06/2024 09:22

Halfemptyhalfling · 22/06/2024 09:19

I think this is poor timing. There are no parties supporting gender critical beliefs (despite conservative posturing trans rights became prominent while they were in power) Labour are it seemsmoving away from trans rights anyway. If this blows up labour could lose votes from women or gen z so better to wait until after election. In the election the most important things are people can't afford food, housing or to have children

I disagree and think it is excellent timing. People should know who and what they are voting for.

ActivePeony · 22/06/2024 09:22

Theeyeballsinthesky · 22/06/2024 09:21

Why is it that there is always something more important than the rights of 50% of the population?

Tiresome isn't it?

RedToothBrush · 22/06/2024 09:22

Halfemptyhalfling · 22/06/2024 09:19

I think this is poor timing. There are no parties supporting gender critical beliefs (despite conservative posturing trans rights became prominent while they were in power) Labour are it seemsmoving away from trans rights anyway. If this blows up labour could lose votes from women or gen z so better to wait until after election. In the election the most important things are people can't afford food, housing or to have children

Google someone who doesn't understand politics.

This is the example you will find underneath.

Wistfullythinking · 22/06/2024 09:23

Halfemptyhalfling · 22/06/2024 09:19

I think this is poor timing. There are no parties supporting gender critical beliefs (despite conservative posturing trans rights became prominent while they were in power) Labour are it seemsmoving away from trans rights anyway. If this blows up labour could lose votes from women or gen z so better to wait until after election. In the election the most important things are people can't afford food, housing or to have children

I am hoping that by holding Starmer's feet the the fire, she is forcing them to become clearer about these issues. I think the timing is spot on as there is a level of urgency now.

I think @IdLikeToBeAFraser is right in that they are running around at HQ shouting "fuck!!"

lcakethereforeIam · 22/06/2024 09:25

Well apparently JKR cost Labour the last election 🙄 perhaps Starmer might be worried enough that she'll pull it off again that he'll actually listen and do something!

RobinEllacotStrike · 22/06/2024 09:25

I wonder if Starmer has read it?

Scruffily · 22/06/2024 09:25

lcakethereforeIam · 21/06/2024 22:02

Thank heavens. Imagine where we'd be if Labour had been in power when all this was going down.

Also, as influential as JKR is, that election was Labour's to lose.

Yes, thank goodness we've had the Conservatives in power. Look at what they gave us: an economy trashed by Truss, billions spent on corrupt Covid contracts with Tory mates, more billions lost on furlough fraud that the government couldn't be bothered to recover, a government partying while we couldn't visit dying loved ones, all the money and other poor consequences of Brexit, tax rates at the highest levels for 70 years, social care and maternity care decimated, yet more millions thrown at the Rwanda nonsense, thousands of children with SEND not getting the support they desperately need, child poverty at the horrendous levels. How would we have coped without the splendid efforts of all those unelected Prime Ministers?

RobinEllacotStrike · 22/06/2024 09:26

Wistfullythinking · 22/06/2024 06:52

This is Huge! I have the paper here. The article is the whole of page 4, but the front page leads with it.
Starmer still has time to read this and work out what exactly is going on. Remaining hopeful here!

I wish I had bought a copy. Was it yesterday?

Livelovebehappy · 22/06/2024 09:27

Great piece. Labour are telling us loud and clear where they stand on this issue. Believe them.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 22/06/2024 09:27

Scruffily · 22/06/2024 09:25

Yes, thank goodness we've had the Conservatives in power. Look at what they gave us: an economy trashed by Truss, billions spent on corrupt Covid contracts with Tory mates, more billions lost on furlough fraud that the government couldn't be bothered to recover, a government partying while we couldn't visit dying loved ones, all the money and other poor consequences of Brexit, tax rates at the highest levels for 70 years, social care and maternity care decimated, yet more millions thrown at the Rwanda nonsense, thousands of children with SEND not getting the support they desperately need, child poverty at the horrendous levels. How would we have coped without the splendid efforts of all those unelected Prime Ministers?

You still wouldn't have been able to visit your dying loved ones even with Labour in power. Starmer wanted harder lockdowns.

RedToothBrush · 22/06/2024 09:27

Not forgetting, all Starmer really has to say is 'not only do I agree with Tony, but I would like to apologise for the treatment of Rosie and say it is unacceptable behaviour by any labour member to act in this way. I believe in women's rights and it is crucial that the realities of being a woman are fully recognised and protected in law without exception. Safeguarding is important.'

But nope. It's mean old JKR's fault for not behaving in the approved way.

Give the fuck over.

We don't owe any party our vote. What with it being a democracy. We can voice our opinions at any time. There shouldnt be a 'wrong time' to voice concerns. Concerns should be dealt with whenever they arise no matter how inconvenient they are to you politically.

Cos Party First approaches are not in the public interest.

Wistfullythinking · 22/06/2024 09:28

RobinEllacotStrike · 22/06/2024 09:26

I wish I had bought a copy. Was it yesterday?

It's today's 😊

lcakethereforeIam · 22/06/2024 09:28

Scruffily · 22/06/2024 09:25

Yes, thank goodness we've had the Conservatives in power. Look at what they gave us: an economy trashed by Truss, billions spent on corrupt Covid contracts with Tory mates, more billions lost on furlough fraud that the government couldn't be bothered to recover, a government partying while we couldn't visit dying loved ones, all the money and other poor consequences of Brexit, tax rates at the highest levels for 70 years, social care and maternity care decimated, yet more millions thrown at the Rwanda nonsense, thousands of children with SEND not getting the support they desperately need, child poverty at the horrendous levels. How would we have coped without the splendid efforts of all those unelected Prime Ministers?

Because everything would have been sunlight and roses with <checks notes> Corbyn in charge 😃

Wistfullythinking · 22/06/2024 09:29

RobinEllacotStrike · 22/06/2024 09:25

I wonder if Starmer has read it?

I really think he should and if he has any sense, he will!

NamechangeMay24 · 22/06/2024 09:30

BBC (on the app) are leading with this! Or rather, what Keir says in response.

With some nice clear quotes from the article.

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