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Waitwhat23 · 22/06/2024 06:59

impossibletoday · 21/06/2024 21:43

IW has made himself look even more of a fool by comparing that photo to Nuremberg (it's not clear whether he means the rally or the trial).

Madcats · 22/06/2024 07:04

BBC R4 has had this in their news since 5:30am.

It was the first thing Justin Webb mentioned opening the Today programme.

Womens' Rights need to be talked about this election.

Waitwhat23 · 22/06/2024 07:18

Waitwhat23 · 22/06/2024 06:44

It's moved from holding my nose and voting for the best of the worst to now being unwilling to give any party a vote because none of them deserve it. Gone are the days of having excitement and optimism of what a political party might have to offer.

And actually, following on from that, parties across the board (with the exception of a few brave individual MP's/MSP's) have shown themselves to be credulous and unable to push back against ideas and policies they personally disagree with. The MSP's who voted against their parties whip for the GRR bill earned a lot of respect for actually showing their own moral courage and integrity. If I can't trust politicians to have integrity, why should I vote for them?

And this could have/be about any issue. A politician being this credulous and cowardly about pushing back against any issue just isn't worth consideration.

You've obviously still got the true believers but at this point, given the vast amount of evidence as to the harms to women and girls due to gender ideology, then those true believers are just contemptible. Anyone who does the 'rights aren't a pie, there aren't any issues, you're just a bigot' line deserves an eyeroll.

JuneAgain · 22/06/2024 07:22

Madcats · 22/06/2024 07:04

BBC R4 has had this in their news since 5:30am.

It was the first thing Justin Webb mentioned opening the Today programme.

Womens' Rights need to be talked about this election.

The Today programme news headline story framed it as JKR having an issue with 'transgender rights' whereas JW and NR talking about women's rights. Important difference.

Beefandwine · 22/06/2024 07:26

Thanks for sharing the article, have forwarded it to my Scottish friend who is a lifelong Labour supporter, but absolutely has issues with this trans ideology.

Labour don't deserve women's votes, if they refuse to stand up for women's rights. Pffft

Wistfullythinking · 22/06/2024 07:26

JuneAgain · 22/06/2024 07:22

The Today programme news headline story framed it as JKR having an issue with 'transgender rights' whereas JW and NR talking about women's rights. Important difference.

It make you wonder whether they've actally read the article in question, doesn't it?

I am really hoping that this, on the back of the Cass report and the runaway success of the book, will make the politicians stop and think!

It's becoming impossible to miss.

borntobequiet · 22/06/2024 07:36

Madcats · 22/06/2024 07:04

BBC R4 has had this in their news since 5:30am.

It was the first thing Justin Webb mentioned opening the Today programme.

Womens' Rights need to be talked about this election.

And JW explicitly referred to women’s sex based rights. He’s a star.

EasternStandard · 22/06/2024 07:44

borntobequiet · 22/06/2024 07:36

And JW explicitly referred to women’s sex based rights. He’s a star.

That’s great

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 22/06/2024 07:44

Hatfullofwillow · 21/06/2024 21:57

She's one of people that contributed to the Tories winning in 2017, she abandoned Labour.

Nobody owes Labour their vote.

It's up to Labour to win by being more electable than the Tories. By coming up with policies which people actually want and which they have a realistic change of delivering.

DrNickedMaCorpus · 22/06/2024 07:47

Fantastic article.

I think Labour have blown it with that god awful performance from Starmer. So weak, so hopeless.

I think of it as 'the reality question', and he blew it.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 22/06/2024 07:48

JuneAgain · 22/06/2024 07:22

The Today programme news headline story framed it as JKR having an issue with 'transgender rights' whereas JW and NR talking about women's rights. Important difference.

This does my head in.

Discussions about women's rights always get reported as "views on transgender people".

If women asserting their right to have language for themselves and their own single sex spaces and sports is anti trans, then trans people asserting their right to refer to themselves as the opposite sex and use spaces and sports for the opposite sex is anti woman. It goes both ways. So why are trans activists never reported as having anti woman views?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 22/06/2024 07:48

DrNickedMaCorpus · 22/06/2024 07:47

Fantastic article.

I think Labour have blown it with that god awful performance from Starmer. So weak, so hopeless.

I think of it as 'the reality question', and he blew it.

Surely not? They are miles ahead in the polls.

BezMills · 22/06/2024 07:54

He blew the question - it's probably to early to tell the GE result

Huckleberries73 · 22/06/2024 08:09

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DrNickedMaCorpus · 22/06/2024 08:13

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 22/06/2024 07:48

Surely not? They are miles ahead in the polls.

Oh, they'll win the election. I meant from a moral point of view. In a purely solipsist way, probably!

I've been dithering over whether to vote for them and that piss poor performance revealed just how shite and fake it all is. Its utterly depressing. We need a good government, for God's sake!

RedToothBrush · 22/06/2024 08:21

Interesting that the framing is shifting to where it should be.

If you are a party that says you believe in equality and human rights, ending misogyny and violence against women (remember what is actually in the Labour manifesto)

Then this is a crucial conversation to have. If that makes various people shift about nervously in their seats, then the next question is, why are they so uncomfortable about having this conversation?

Then we need to have that conversation about homophobia and the conversion therapy pledge and the Cass Review.

None of this is anti-trans. Anyone seeking to frame this as anti-trans is fundamentally dishonest.

This is about the upholding of the existing rights and dignities of women and homosexuals and religious minorities that have been conveniently dispensable and forgettable in all the virtue signalling.

These issues are worthy of respect in a democratic society.

It will be interesting to see where the narrative goes from here.

Hatfullofwillow · 22/06/2024 08:29

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Blimey. I know JKR inspires Trumpian like loyalty, but the responses I've received for simply pointing out her actual politics; against independence for Scotland, was fine with Labour until Corbyn became leader (her dissatisfaction had nothing to do with women's rights) broke the cultural boycott of Israel etc.

Labour lost in 2017 by a few thousand votes, given her cultist followers it's not inconceivable that her influence contributed to that loss.

She's not Dumbledore.

Dymaxion · 22/06/2024 08:31

She is absolutely right to shine a light on all those who are still captured by the shiny new ideology, who dismiss facts/biology as ridiculous relics of a previous time, and treat anyone who dares to raise any issue relating to these biological facts, as toxic.

Keep it coming JKR !

Hatfullofwillow · 22/06/2024 08:34

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 22/06/2024 07:44

Nobody owes Labour their vote.

It's up to Labour to win by being more electable than the Tories. By coming up with policies which people actually want and which they have a realistic change of delivering.

Their policies were popular, it was the mobilising of the entire establishment against Corbyn, including those in the Labour party that lost if for them.

Forester1 · 22/06/2024 08:36

Thanks for sharing. And I’m glad to see it being reported more widely. As Labour have been playing it safe in their campaign this gives the media something to talk about Labour on.

BackToLurk · 22/06/2024 08:37

Hatfullofwillow · 22/06/2024 08:29

Blimey. I know JKR inspires Trumpian like loyalty, but the responses I've received for simply pointing out her actual politics; against independence for Scotland, was fine with Labour until Corbyn became leader (her dissatisfaction had nothing to do with women's rights) broke the cultural boycott of Israel etc.

Labour lost in 2017 by a few thousand votes, given her cultist followers it's not inconceivable that her influence contributed to that loss.

She's not Dumbledore.

Not the ‘Labour only lost by a few thousand votes’ bollocks. Stop believing OJ and start understanding the British electoral system

https://ukandeu.ac.uk/the-2017-general-election-not-that-close-after-all/

The 2017 general election: not that close after all - UK in a changing Europe

Anthony B. Masters examines the claim that in the 2017 general election, the Labour Party were just 2,227 votes away from the chance of government.

https://ukandeu.ac.uk/the-2017-general-election-not-that-close-after-all/

testing987654321 · 22/06/2024 08:38

Please contact the BBC regarding their wording.

BBC misrepresenting JKR

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/5102480-bbc-misrepresenting-jkr

borntobequiet · 22/06/2024 08:39

Labour lost in 2017 by a few thousand votes, given her cultist followers it's not inconceivable that her influence contributed to that loss.

”Cultist followers”. Dear God, listen to yourself.

grumpyfeminist · 22/06/2024 08:39

It was utterly predictable that this issue would blow up during this election. If Labour didn’t plan for it or get out ahead of it, that’s on them. JKR is entitled to point out the open goal and name it for what it is.

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