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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trans TikToker who exposed their breasts at the White House is accused of sexual assault

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NonCrimeHakeIncident · 17/06/2024 22:14

https://reduxx.info/trans-identified-male-who-exposed-his-breasts-at-the-white-house-now-accused-of-sexually-assaulting-another-transgender-person/

By their ex partner, who is FTM trans.

Trans-Identified Male Who Exposed His Breasts At The White House Now Accused Of Sexually Assaulting Another Transgender Person - Reduxx

The trans activist who received criticism for exposing his augmented breasts at the White House during a Pride event last June has now been accused of sexual assault. The alleged victim is a biological female who identifies as a “man.” Rose Montoya, 28...

https://reduxx.info/trans-identified-male-who-exposed-his-breasts-at-the-white-house-now-accused-of-sexually-assaulting-another-transgender-person/

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Christinapple · 19/06/2024 16:05

shellyleppard · 17/06/2024 22:15

So why is this on Mumsnet???

Because to many people, crimes and bad things only matter when they are committed by LGBT people.

Let's all just ignore literally else that's happening in the world that isn't related to a trans person (sarcasm obvs).

dougalfromthemagicroundabout · 19/06/2024 16:37

So just let this man get away with it then? This is the feminism section, we do talk about other men that abuse and rape too. The point is trans ideology is allowing THESE men to do it with more impunity. Which the prison onset gender dysphoria statistics show is a known route for abusive men to take.

ArabellaScott · 19/06/2024 16:40

The point is this is a man who committed indecent exposure on the White House lawn and was lauded by the President.

We are not supposed to talk about his crimes because he's in a sacred caste who cannot be criticised.

Putting anyone in a position where they are exempt from responsibility or criticism will attract those who wish to abuse the position.

TicklishLemur · 19/06/2024 16:48

Christinapple · 19/06/2024 16:05

Because to many people, crimes and bad things only matter when they are committed by LGBT people.

Let's all just ignore literally else that's happening in the world that isn't related to a trans person (sarcasm obvs).

We care when the perpetrator is LGBT and when they are not. Many of us are LGBT but are unsafe due to being female - what you have also failed to mention is that the victims in these cases are all LGBT themselves and being sacrificed by their own community. If rape is not a feminist concern then what is?

My concern for the rights of women and girls does not end because they are vulnerable, traumatised or mentally ill. In fact it only makes me even more aware of their need to be protected and kept safe. What must be recognised here is a pattern of behaviour in the trans community where females are being groomed and abused by males.

Yes that happens in society too, but in these cases those females are being treated like the offenders and the rapists as victims. The vulnerable are being gaslit to ignore their instincts and children are being encouraged to see predatory adults as replacements for their family. Abhorrent abuse such as raping a person recovering from genital surgery 10 times is being committed, and the victims are so downtrodden they feel guilt for simply trying to protect others.

How can we possible discuss these kinds of issues without reference to the trans nature of the whole affair? A trans poster on mumsnet outlined how abuse is covered up and facilitated by the wider community. Some of the biggest victims are other trans-identified people, especially children and females. Clearly we are not attacking all trans-identified people when we prioritise the voices and needs of such victims.

Helleofabore · 19/06/2024 16:50

Christinapple · 19/06/2024 16:05

Because to many people, crimes and bad things only matter when they are committed by LGBT people.

Let's all just ignore literally else that's happening in the world that isn't related to a trans person (sarcasm obvs).

For some reason you can’t handle discussion about the behaviours of a particular group of male people who have little respect for female people. Ie. Specifically trans people who abuse female people. And no, not all trans people are like that, but some are and that needs discussion. Just like any other male violence. Because it is through awareness that we see the pattern forming that this particular group of people are amongst those demanding access to female single sex spaces.

Why don’t you want female people to discuss violence against women and girls? Is it because you have problems recognising that violence? Eg. ‘Just a cream pie to the face, it is funny on tv!’ Or ‘it is just water being thrown, why make out like it was acid’?

Or is it a different kind of dismissal? One based on dismissing the frequency and trying to portray the events as being much rarer than they are.

That first kind of dismissal is as bad as ‘it never happens / it is just a few bad apples, so why are you talking about it’. The desired outcome of silencing discussion is that those crimes remain hidden or are attributed to ‘women’?

Why are you so unable to acknowledge violence against female people when it involves a male person with a specific gender identity?

Rather than censuring women having discussions that alert others to a recent group of male people being treated as untouchable, perhaps you should analyse just what makes you so dismissive of male violence against female people and female people’s consent generally and broadly. It is almost like you can’t allow women to discuss things you cannot control and that will allow people reading these discussions to identity abusive situations better.

What kind of person seeks to shame others for having these discussions and in this case, additionally preventing women learning not to trust organisations who fete abusers who have used their power as male people to silence their victims?

What kind of person prevents dissemination of information that can help women understand that no group of male people should be treated as special and treated as female people in relation to access to female single sex spaces?

Exactly who benefits from these actions being hidden from society’s view? This is MALE violence. Exactly who benefits from telling women to STFU when it comes to discussing those acts?

Helleofabore · 19/06/2024 17:02

Christinapple · 19/06/2024 16:05

Because to many people, crimes and bad things only matter when they are committed by LGBT people.

Let's all just ignore literally else that's happening in the world that isn't related to a trans person (sarcasm obvs).

What kind of person has a pattern for attempting to shame women for discussing a new or updated version of male violence and abuse so that we can have a better understanding that the pattern hasn’t really changed once people strip away the obfuscating language that includes pronouns?

TicklishLemur · 19/06/2024 17:05

Helleofabore · 19/06/2024 17:02

What kind of person has a pattern for attempting to shame women for discussing a new or updated version of male violence and abuse so that we can have a better understanding that the pattern hasn’t really changed once people strip away the obfuscating language that includes pronouns?

Indeed. Or wishes to cover up the systematic and targeted rape of transmen. Is a failure to care about transmen not transphobia? Or is it only male trans people who matter?

TicklishLemur · 19/06/2024 17:08

I care when young gay boys are raped by adult men via the likes of grindr. Does that make me a homophobic lesbian? Or someone who simply gives a shit about the most vulnerable members of our community?

TicklishLemur · 19/06/2024 17:22

NonCrimeHakeIncident · 19/06/2024 15:41

Yep. The 🥝 farmers have threads on GL and some posters on there seem to have more concern for Mallory/Daniel than any flag-waver on the “right side of history”.

I had never heard of either Lavery but my god that photo of the deep bite mark on her cheek is horrendous. He had the audacity to post on his Twitter that he wasn’t ashamed to have kinky sex with someone he loved. We’re not talking about a bit of role playing, he bit her hard enough to leave a scar. That is not compatible with love. Posting the photos is just another way to exert power and humiliate her.

Helleofabore · 19/06/2024 17:26

Lavery. The male academic who wrote an ode to their penis, which flopped.

TicklishLemur · 19/06/2024 17:26

But yes caring about transman Daniel Lavery’s wellbeing is transphobia 🙄

DeanElderberry · 19/06/2024 17:30

ArabellaScott · 19/06/2024 16:40

The point is this is a man who committed indecent exposure on the White House lawn and was lauded by the President.

We are not supposed to talk about his crimes because he's in a sacred caste who cannot be criticised.

Putting anyone in a position where they are exempt from responsibility or criticism will attract those who wish to abuse the position.

Indeed, and less than 24 hours ago, on this very thread, I mentioned the abuser Marko Rubnik (not Trans), implicitly comparing his position of privilege and the support he has had from Pope Francis, with the privilege afforded to the fake-breasted one by President Biden.

This board is a place where we talk about strategies abusive men use to garner protection and promotion from the naive and powerful, a disturbing large group.

TicklishLemur · 19/06/2024 17:57

Just been reading more about Daniel Lavery. I can see she became estranged from her family due to the brave decision to out her brother as a paedophile and her father as a senior pastor facilitating his access to young boys. It breaks my heart that she was brave enough to protect children at great personal cost but there is no one to protect her. I’m sure TRAs would say she consents but what power does she have to do anything else, when her only family now is the person abusing her?

Helleofabore · 19/06/2024 18:13

Daniel has been discussed on this board previously and the discussion always makes me feel that this is a very vulnerable person who is potentially a victim of significant trauma. And obviously, highlights the pattern identified for female trans people having these particular comorbidities. And that their particular backgrounds make them so highly susceptible to having very low personal boundaries and therefore the trauma cycle continues and deepens.

In decades to come, this era must surely be viewed as being a horrendous safeguarding failure. All driven by the same theories that led to the French government lowering the age of consent in the 1970s exposing children to significant abuse.

A community that should be caring for people like Daniel seem to be very keen on hiding the continued horrific abuse under the guise of ‘love’. It could be said that all Daniel did was leave one abusive situation and found themselves in another.

And yes, consent is thrown around a lot as a defence. But only by those who cannot understand how consent given in the process of being abused is not freely given.

TicklishLemur · 19/06/2024 19:17

@Helleofabore beautifully said. I have yet to read an account of a transman who hasn’t suffered terrible trauma and abuse - either before or after transition, but very often both. The trans umbrella pairs some of society’s most vulnerable people with some of the most dangerous, who commit sexual violence at higher rates than even your typical male.

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