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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Party of Women banned from Women’s Hustings by Bristol Women’s Voice

125 replies

IwantToRetire · 14/06/2024 15:56

Am posting this is good faith based on a facebook notification I've got.

Haven't had time to listen to video so not sure of the whole story.

But sounds a bit ... women ban women from women's hustings??!!

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So @BristolWV bans me from the women's hustings …… #POW #PartyOfWomen

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=8s&v=D3LTifVBFeY

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Theeyeballsinthesky · 14/06/2024 16:14

Yeah it’s the usual - a woman’s charity for people who “identify” as women

https://www.bristolwomensvoice.org.uk/trans-inclusion-position/

tbf they do talk about the importance of recording sex data as well as gender. I expect given they’re in Bristol & probably get council funding that they simply wouldn’t dare to have KJK there, they’d probably lose their funding for going against Bristols trans inclusive policy

Trans+ Inclusion | Bristol Women's Voice

Our position will always be informed by our organisational mission, our members, and the reality of women’s lived experiences.

https://www.bristolwomensvoice.org.uk/trans-inclusion-position/

Theeyeballsinthesky · 14/06/2024 16:19

Yep just checked their accounts. As expected their main funder is Bristol city council

teawamutu · 14/06/2024 16:31

Bristol really is the Brighton of the West Country, isn't it?

OldCrone · 14/06/2024 16:32

I watched the video. She says that she's been excluded from the Bristol Women's voice hustings because they're inclusive (of 'women' with penises).

DuesToTheDirt · 14/06/2024 17:14

OldCrone · 14/06/2024 16:32

I watched the video. She says that she's been excluded from the Bristol Women's voice hustings because they're inclusive (of 'women' with penises).

So as usual, "inclusive" actually means exactly the opposite.

OvaHere · 14/06/2024 17:43

Spoiler alert - she's planning to turn up anyway.

I watched this yesterday and her parody of of these inclusive women I reckon is spot on. She should consider doing a collaboration with Shauny Boy sometime.

BackToLurk · 14/06/2024 17:57

As long as the people holding the hustings are abiding by Electoral Commission rules, they're under no obligation to have everyone there

Sausagenbacon · 14/06/2024 17:58

Bristol IS the Brighton of the SW. I would expect nothing else from Bristol Womens Voice. That's why I am so delighted that KJK is standing here.

CassieMaddox · 14/06/2024 20:47

I suspect this is more to do with health and safety/insurance than her views. Why would any organisation with a ticketed event want protests/counter protests and the potential for far right and aggressive TRA loons to turn up?
You reap what you sow. This is a consequence of her failing to condemn the neo-Nazis who attended her event in Aus. She's too risky now. Which she must know as she often says her own insurance costs for events are high.

NecessaryScene · 14/06/2024 20:50

You reap what you sow.

Your feminist halo is dazzling me.

BackToLurk · 14/06/2024 20:54

CassieMaddox · 14/06/2024 20:47

I suspect this is more to do with health and safety/insurance than her views. Why would any organisation with a ticketed event want protests/counter protests and the potential for far right and aggressive TRA loons to turn up?
You reap what you sow. This is a consequence of her failing to condemn the neo-Nazis who attended her event in Aus. She's too risky now. Which she must know as she often says her own insurance costs for events are high.

Given that the event info talks about representatives from ' the 4 parties' and this looks like a Bristol-wide rather than specifically Bristol Central event, I think it's probably just that she isn't important/high-profile enough

Underthinker · 14/06/2024 20:57

This is a consequence of her failing to condemn the neo-Nazis who attended her event in Aus.

Pretty sure she did.

DrSpartacular · 14/06/2024 21:01

Today's update, BWV possibly/likely in contravention of both charity commission and electoral commission regs on the basis that she is being excluded as a result of her beliefs...

https://www.youtube.com/live/iRzs70ChwkI?si=oyvEThfhkyumXnEF

Before you continue to YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/live/iRzs70ChwkI?si=oyvEThfhkyumXnEF

OldCrone · 14/06/2024 21:01

Why would any organisation with a ticketed event want protests/counter protests and the potential for far right and aggressive TRA loons to turn up?
You reap what you sow.

Well, there you have it. All those silly feminist organisations like WPUK and FiLiA should have just cancelled their meetings and all the silly little women attending should have stayed home to look after their menfolk.

OldCrone · 14/06/2024 21:02

You reap what you sow.

The first rule of misogyny: Women are responsible for what men do.

BackToLurk · 14/06/2024 21:22

DrSpartacular · 14/06/2024 21:01

Today's update, BWV possibly/likely in contravention of both charity commission and electoral commission regs on the basis that she is being excluded as a result of her beliefs...

https://www.youtube.com/live/iRzs70ChwkI?si=oyvEThfhkyumXnEF

The Electoral Commission allows candidates to be excluded for any of the following reasons.

  • resources and other practicalities that limit the numbers of people you can invite, for example time or space
  • security concerns
  • local prominence of some parties or candidates over others
  • the number of elected representatives at the local or national level
  • recent election results in the area

The event information says representatives of only 4 parties have been invited, so it looks like it's based on one of the last 3.

CassieMaddox · 14/06/2024 21:23

BackToLurk · 14/06/2024 20:54

Given that the event info talks about representatives from ' the 4 parties' and this looks like a Bristol-wide rather than specifically Bristol Central event, I think it's probably just that she isn't important/high-profile enough

Oh I missed that! Even more likely!

DrSpartacular · 14/06/2024 21:24

BackToLurk · 14/06/2024 21:22

The Electoral Commission allows candidates to be excluded for any of the following reasons.

  • resources and other practicalities that limit the numbers of people you can invite, for example time or space
  • security concerns
  • local prominence of some parties or candidates over others
  • the number of elected representatives at the local or national level
  • recent election results in the area

The event information says representatives of only 4 parties have been invited, so it looks like it's based on one of the last 3.

And none of those reasons are the ones given for her exclusion.

It doesn't matter that there are legitimate reasons for excluding a candidate, she was excluded for illegitimate reasons.

CassieMaddox · 14/06/2024 21:26

OldCrone · 14/06/2024 21:02

You reap what you sow.

The first rule of misogyny: Women are responsible for what men do.

No. Women are responsible for what they do.
She did not say that neo Nazis weren't welcome at her event after they attended. Thus increasing the risk of them attending future events. Thus potentially raising insurance premiums. Therefore I was hypothesising this was a consequence of her own "all welcome" policy.
Stop infantilising her. Actions have consequences for all humans.

CassieMaddox · 14/06/2024 21:29

DrSpartacular · 14/06/2024 21:24

And none of those reasons are the ones given for her exclusion.

It doesn't matter that there are legitimate reasons for excluding a candidate, she was excluded for illegitimate reasons.

Thats what she says. Doesn't make it true.
It has a whiff of Farage's "debanking" about it. Which turned out to be bollocks.
Let's see what they say but there are a few things on that list she could be reasonably excluded for.

BackToLurk · 14/06/2024 21:29

DrSpartacular · 14/06/2024 21:24

And none of those reasons are the ones given for her exclusion.

It doesn't matter that there are legitimate reasons for excluding a candidate, she was excluded for illegitimate reasons.

Is the reason this. From government guidelines.

It is also open to charities to decide not to invite a representative from a political party which advocates policies which are in contravention of the charity’s purposes, or whose presence or views are likely to alienate the charity’s supporters.

CassieMaddox · 14/06/2024 21:32

BackToLurk · 14/06/2024 21:22

The Electoral Commission allows candidates to be excluded for any of the following reasons.

  • resources and other practicalities that limit the numbers of people you can invite, for example time or space
  • security concerns
  • local prominence of some parties or candidates over others
  • the number of elected representatives at the local or national level
  • recent election results in the area

The event information says representatives of only 4 parties have been invited, so it looks like it's based on one of the last 3.

Here's a list of all the candidates
https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/general-election-july-2024-mp-9334674?int_source=amp_continue_reading&int_medium=amp&int_campaign=continue_reading_button#amp-readmore-target

I stopped counting at 10 parties and independents. She's not the only one "excluded"

All the General Election MP candidates in the Bristol region

There are 61 hopefuls representing 10 political parties, along with independents

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/general-election-july-2024-mp-9334674?int_campaign=continue_reading_button&int_medium=amp&int_source=amp_continue_reading#amp-readmore-target

Theeyeballsinthesky · 14/06/2024 21:37

BackToLurk · 14/06/2024 21:29

Is the reason this. From government guidelines.

It is also open to charities to decide not to invite a representative from a political party which advocates policies which are in contravention of the charity’s purposes, or whose presence or views are likely to alienate the charity’s supporters.

Would make complete sense

no organisation has to invite all candidates to a hustings - and an organisation for ‘women’ funded by Bristol council that includes men identifying as women in its work isn’t going to invite KJK

DrSpartacular · 14/06/2024 21:39

The electoral commission advised her to complain and to report to the police so I guess we will see what happens.