To think there may be a few silent Tory voters amongst the GC contingent

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Having just skim read both manifestos I'm now wondering if there will be quite a few silent Tory voters from the GC contingent.

Tories are saying they will: 'introduce primary legislation to clarify that the protected characteristic of sex in the Equality Act means biological sex. This will guarantee that single sex services and single sex spaces can be provided, for example in healthcare and sports settings, to ensure women and girls are protected.'

^'We are clear that on fundamental matters of personal identity there should be one approach across the country, so we will also legislate so that an individual can only have one sex in the eyes of the law in the United Kingdom.'^

'Labour are saying they will: 'protect LGBT+ and disabled people by making all existing strands of hate crime an aggravated offence.'

'So-called conversion therapy is abuse – there is no other word for it – so Labour will finally deliver a full trans-inclusive ban on conversion practices, while protecting the freedom for people to explore their sexual orientation and gender identity.'

'We will also modernise, simplify, and reform the intrusive and outdated gender recognition law to a new process. We will remove indignities for trans people who deserve recognition and acceptance; whilst retaining the need for a diagnosis of gender dysphoria from a specialist doctor, enabling access to the healthcare pathway.'^

Tbf, they also say 'Labour is proud of our Equality Act and the rights and protections it affords women; we will continue to support the implementation of its single-sex exceptions.'

Thing is, I'm not sure they know what a woman actually is. 🤔

Also, why would you vote based on the one single issue that affects you the most? That’s pretty …uh… introspective
I think we should vote based on who we think is going to improve society most overall, and in particular improve things for the most vulnerable and those needing most care and support.

Well you do your vote your way and I will do mine my way, how about that?

So, I guess we could vote for the party most likely to implement self ID and improve things for those vulnerable transfolk that suffer so much violence and hate crime?

Why would self ID improve things for trans people (assuming that is what you mean by "transfolk", please clarify if I have misunderstood?) It seems it would do the exact opposite to me.

Well, they claim it would allow them to be in an environment that makes them feel safer. And given that they believe TWAW they should be using women's facilities in their eyes.

They probably are safer in the women's changing room than they are in the men's with the local football team/gym meatheads, but the women are probably less safe in aggregate. That's why we should vote for the things that matter to us rather than prioritising other demographics that may not have our safety as their priority.

I used to think this, too. I honestly did my best to think about how the policies of a particular party would effect the most vulnerable in society and vote for whoever offered them the best possible outcome.
"The true measure of any society can be found in how it treats its most vulnerable members." - Mahatma Gandhi
This meant I was a Greens voter, and peripherally involved with them.
Then the Scottish Forensic Medical Services Bill happened. And the Greens argued that allowing women WHO HAD JUST BEEN RAPED to choose the sex of their medical examiner collecting evidence WAS A TRANSPHOBIC DOG WHISTLE.
I'm not in Scotland (but did vaguely follow Greens political movements worldwide), so for me it was hypothetical at that point. But I realised that I did have a line in the sand. I couldn't support a Greens party that did this, regardless of how that would effect other people. I couldn't do that to my past self.
So actually I do put myself first when I vote. There are some things that form a line in the sand, regardless of how that effects other people. And after that, then I go back to my old metric.
(I'm really done with the Greens as a movement now. I haven't hung around to fight back. Their gender nonsense and their NIMBYism in Melbourne's inner north just make me feel sick of them.)

I think this is shameful of him. If it had been any other Labour MP he would have been backing them up. I'm very afraid for women's rights under Labour.

Why would a violent hate criminal decide not to violently hate trans people because of self-ID?

What we need is direct action against violent crime and the causes of violent crime. Regardless of victim.

I wish I could say I was shocked to read a post on a feminist board admonishing women for even thinking about voting in our own interest.

Putting ourselves last really is engrained isn't it.

whut?

Like the child benefit cap? Yeah can't think why anyone would consider that important. Selfish twats.

I love how an issue which negatively affects 51% of the population, plus boys and men who care about women is considered a ‘minority’ issue.

if men were losing rights to sports, spaces and services, I wonder if that would be seen as unimportant?!

Cause we're less important, innit.

I don't think it's the government's job to improve society overall. My table manners and how I spend my evenings are my business. I just want them to run the country.

Actually that was me. And the 15-20 years campaign has been successful in that in England very few requests for a summer born child to start at compulsory school age in YR are now declined. Yes there is lots of huffing and puffing but Kent (largest education authority) cracked many years ago, and other LAs were always more reasonable. I feel very proud to have been part of that campaign. And it was what convinced me that, for me, single issue voting is the right way to go for me. I cannot comment sensibly on defence policy, limited comments on the NHS, govt, Local govt efficiencies etc, my views on benefits are never going to be popular, I work in education so plenty of views there.

I have like many on here voted for many political parties over the years but I got tired of the broken election promises, the failure to deliver. And you are quite incorrect to state in your subsequent post that "..That’s pretty …uh… introspective... in particular improve things for the most vulnerable and those needing most care and support." So who are you to decide that summer borns, should start school a whole year EARLY with all the empirically collected evidence from around the world that shows how harmful that is over their lifetime, are not vulnerable or needing care & support? That was my 1st single issue vote - I've added a couple more since.

Im not incorrect. That’s how I feel. Personally I would not be happy voting based on a party’s position on one single issue such as the definition of a woman or summer born children. I think it’s quite blinkered. It makes you prone to inadvertently voting for lots of other things that will affect a huge number of people. By vulnerable and most in need I was more thinking of people on waiting lists for cancer treatment and with serious and profound SEND. Of course you can vote for who you like! I would make different choices and that is my prerogative.

incidentslly i would describe myself as GC and I STILL wouldn’t vote for a party solely because they said they’d change the Equality Act if most of their other policies were distasteful to me.

And I also do think it is a government’s job to improve society.

I know who I am voting for and why. I've given it quite some thought.

Your (royal your) vote is none of my business, so crack on and vote any way you want, any why you want.

I thought I might be able to hold my nose and vote for the Tories but their plans to change disability payments to vouchers is the final straw for me.

Labour have inched in the right direction. Tony Blair recently came out and said women have vaginas and men have penises, and Starmer said he agreed with Blair.

I still don’t trust Labour on sex and gender but I’m hoping the current swing away from gender ideology might influence them. I really fucking hope so anyway.

It’s a risk to vote Labour but the Tories are just so unbelievably cruel (and corrupt) I just can’t give them my vote.

Copied from a facebook post - author unknown:

A pair of dicks agree that men have dicks & women have vaginas.

Dick head Kier Starmer wouldn't take womens word on it, but accepts dick head Tony Blair's strategy for getting more votes.

Kier saying that some women have dicks was in danger of making him seem like the moron that he is.

So dicks are only for the boys now.

For now.

This pair of dicks will say anything to get power.

It's not as if biological reality has importance outside of a General Election, eh Tony & Kier?

Ya worthless pair of dick heads.
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Dick head Kier Starmer wouldn't take womens word on it, but accepts dick head Tony Blair's strategy for getting more votes.
I had in fact heard an interview that KS and team were taking campaigning hints from Blair. But think it is much more man listens to man.

Meet the new dick same as the old dick.

I am glad the Tories are saying they'll repeal/change the EA. This is the sole thing they've done/talked about that I don't think is the behaviour of a bunch of cunts, though, so I will not be voting for them even though women's rights are hugely important to me.
Starmer bends in the wind and says whatever he thinks is the most politic thing at any given moment. I think Labour will change their tune on this issue as the public conversation continues to change.
My conscience is clear about this.

I was talking to DH today about this. We think it’s quite likely that Keri Badenoch will put herself forward to be leader of the Tory party if she becomes an MP again.

We think it’s quite likely that Keri Badenoch will put herself forward to be leader of the Tory party if she becomes an MP again.

On another thread (there are so many now about the GE) I posted the link to an article in a news paper that based on voting projections, ie Tory wipe out, KB will be the most senior Tory MP left out of the current cabinet.

But if left to the tory grass roots I doubt she will be elected as leader.

Unless of course it is done totally negatively ie let her take the burden of the punishment of the Tory party and then when closer to the next GE they will dump her.

Well I've decided. My Labour candidate is a local Councillor who was part of the banning of feminist groups from council premises.

My fear is a huge Labour majority will fill the commons with these TRA activists making KS's job impossible. They'll fill all the places on committees and form a party within a party. Think Nadia Whittome multiplied.

https://twitter.com/PDeboosted/status/1803930332082672114?t=sXRTdg_CFOWBaXyG-VFTtg&s=19

Nadia Whittome.^^