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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Scores of actresses turn down roles in play critical of JK Rowling’s gender views.

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lechiffre55 · 13/06/2024 15:48

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/06/13/scores-actresses-turn-down-roles-play-critical-jk-rowling

"The stage production, which is set to debut at the Edinburgh Fringe, has already caused outrage over a working title which labelled the gender-critical Harry Potter author a c----."

"The production is yet to cast any of the female roles, including that of Rowling herself."

"Actors have been found for male leads, who will portray Harry Potter cast members Rupert Grint and Daniel Radcliffe."

Scores of actresses turn down roles in play critical of JK Rowling’s gender views

Stage production set to debut at the Edinburgh Fringe has already caused outrage over its explicit working title

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/06/13/scores-actresses-turn-down-roles-play-critical-jk-rowling

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borntobequiet · 24/06/2024 22:17

Nickyknakynoo · 24/06/2024 21:00

It is what is behind the advocating of those safe spaces for women that raises the issues though isn't it and it is very far from insane.
If you do not support the idea that gender is not as simple as the biological parts you were born with and that as a consequence trans women are in fact women and entitled to share the gender specific safe space ..that is a problem of discrimination not of insanity nor of brainwashing .
We are taking so many backwards steps in our recognition of gender identity because so much is being wrapped around and entwined on to this emotive issue. But it blurs the wood from the trees and it isn't really an overly complex issue ; if we recognise trans rights we have no problem because everyone in the female only safe spaces will be female. Everyone will be safe because everyone will be the same gender.

None of this makes any sense whatsoever.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 24/06/2024 22:19

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WitchyWitcherson · 24/06/2024 22:22

Oh no my post got deleted... 100% male then 😂

UtilitarianNameChange · 24/06/2024 22:24

If toilets and changing rooms were divided by gender identity instead of sex, where are all the people without a gender identity (ie the majority of people) meant to go?

DialSquare · 24/06/2024 22:30

But Christina, even if Hermione is presumed white, why would anyone have a problem with a black actress playing a fictional character?

I notice you didn't comment on my second point.

DuesToTheDirt · 24/06/2024 22:40

Nickyknakynoo · 24/06/2024 21:25

Obviously someone who is trans CAN be a sexual predator but this is not an issue of her gender...she identifies as female, she is female...it is not this that makes her dangerous but her predilection for offending.
No slam dunk I'm afraid, the issue is still being confused.

this is not an issue of her gender

It's an issue of his sex. There, fixed that for you,

As for "predilection for offending", well I have a bright idea. Let's just ban anyone with a "predilection for offending" from toilets, changing rooms, swimming pools, in fact everywhere. How are you going to make that work, then?

nutmeg7 · 24/06/2024 22:41

Christinapple · 24/06/2024 22:08

I've read the books.

The nationality, races and skin colours are always mentioned for any character, no matter how minor, who isn't white English. It is clear from the books the "default" is white English for the characters because it's described for anyone who isn't. It would also feel very strange for one of the most prominent characters to have been black the entire time without it ever been mentioned.

Also a few quotes in the books and an early concept drawing by Rowling herself where the character is clearly white.

The "Dumbledore is gay" thing I can let slide (even though I don't think she thought of him as gay until after the books were finished) but I'm not buying her "I never mentioned Hermione's race so she may be black after all".

But remember this is all coming from the same author who, after the books were finished, said wizards in the HP universe don't need to use toilets. If they want to they just pee and poop themselves and "magic away the evidence". Yes, this is now actual canon.

Source- wizardingworld. An official HP website and twitter account.
x.com/wizardingworld/status/1081242428105998336

(Can someone who isn't blocked please drop her a little note asking her to stop adding in post-book canon facts)

Why does it matter? The race of the actress I mean. Does casting have to be absolutely literal?

Neither does it matter whether you believe what was really in JKR’s mind re Dumbledore’s sexuality. Unless you were party to her creative process at the time, the only basis for disbelieving her account is because you dislike her opinions on other things.

nutmeg7 · 24/06/2024 23:02

@Nickyknakynoo if we recognise trans rights we have no problem because everyone in the female only safe spaces will be female.

‘Female’ has a very clear biological meaning, and to try and force a redefinition of such a term on society cannot work in the long run; words have to reflect material reality or they become essentially meaningless, and we cannot use them to communicate.

It is a massive pretence that trans women are female; I don’t think that denying reality does anyone any favours, and it certainly isn’t a “right” to require everyone in the world to refer to a male person who feels more comfortable presenting as a woman as ‘female’. It just isn’t true, and pushing people to lie makes for very distant and inauthentic relationships.

AstonUniRank · 24/06/2024 23:09

Nickyknakynoo · 24/06/2024 21:49

And I can understand why you are Fedupandstuck in the previous century . I'm afraid people like you leave me cold .
This whole thread is depressing and yet the real reason for all of the flapping is certainly being revealed now isn't it ..plain old bigotry

I really feel I must leave you all to clutch your pearls and twitch your Daily Mails .
I am a woman and you do not represent me .
Horrible.

Every time someone calls me a pearl clutcher I now use it as a prompt to do my pelvic floor exercises.

Vag of steel, wims. Vag of steel.

AstonUniRank · 24/06/2024 23:12

Nickyknakynoo · 24/06/2024 22:06

Hahaha oh me oh my ....you lot are really something else although of course not in any way unusual unfortunately ....spouting well worn nasty , narrow nonsense.
For those of you quivering your bosoms in delight that I have not answered your questions....I already have and I'm sorry if you did not pick that up.
I'm really, really bored shitless now so I will wish you goodnight and I wish you completely straight family and friends...that would be a problem wouldn't it .
Oh and BTW, Bernard Black wouldn't give you his molluscs...GL would of course but not DM

Breasting boobily, babe? U okay?

BionicBadger · 24/06/2024 23:17

You do realise there is a flouncers corner @Nickyknakynoo? you may feel more comfortable there.

crockofshite · 24/06/2024 23:24

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SinnerBoy · 25/06/2024 06:27

*crockofshite"

😂👏

SinnerBoy · 25/06/2024 06:29

Actually, I'd love to see, say, Jackie Chan play Henry VIII and Lolly Adefope play Anne Boleyn, just to see the reactions. Mind you, I'd fear for the NHS...

WintryJuneWhy · 25/06/2024 06:50

UtilitarianNameChange · 24/06/2024 22:24

If toilets and changing rooms were divided by gender identity instead of sex, where are all the people without a gender identity (ie the majority of people) meant to go?

Wagamama's have done a decent job at least at our local branch - all individual separate enclosed cubicles with two for disabled and two for women right at the front. The rest for other people, no label. It literally says other people.
If men complain that makes them dicks (said the bloke I was with).

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/06/2024 07:11

Oh and BTW, Bernard Black wouldn't give you his molluscs...GL would of course but not DM

Bernard Black was a fictional character, so how would you know what he would do with his molluscs Grin

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/06/2024 07:14

if we recognise trans rights we have no problem because everyone in the female only safe spaces will be female. Everyone will be safe because everyone will be the same gender.

I'm sure this sounded good in your head. I think everyone can see the fatal flaw in your fiendishly clever scheme.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/06/2024 07:16

You seem very invested in a fictional series about child wizards, Christina. Did you feel "devastated" when JK ruined HP for you by standing up for women and girls?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/06/2024 07:21

I must bookmark that petition and check how many have signed it each day.

It said 900 have signed it, 312 today when I clicked on it just now.

RedToothBrush · 25/06/2024 07:25

Nickyknakynoo · 24/06/2024 21:19

Calm down.
I am saying that a trans woman knows that she is female , that is the simplicity to which I refer . It is not for non trans any gender to prescribe exhaustively and simplistically what it means, for example, I was born a woman and therefore I know exclusively what a woman is.
And BTW, a sexual predator is a menace irrespective of their gender .
It's really not very long ago that gay men were consciously confused and linked with paedophilia.
Her trans status is not the issue, her offending is .

A woman's trauma means nothing.
A woman's dignity means nothing.
A woman's sense of self and worth means nothing.
A woman's sense of identity means nothing.
A woman's own history means nothing.
A woman's emotional wellbeing means nothing.
A woman's safety means nothing.

So long as a male gets his own way and feels ok.
We get it. Males are always to be put first and females are support humans who are there to service and validate the wants and needs of males before their own. Females are second class citizens.

Got it.

Glad we understood your opinion.

Frankly I think it's sexist, homophobic, religiously insensitive bollocks rather than inclusive but there you go. You crack on with the virtue signalling.

RedToothBrush · 25/06/2024 07:45

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/06/2024 07:14

if we recognise trans rights we have no problem because everyone in the female only safe spaces will be female. Everyone will be safe because everyone will be the same gender.

I'm sure this sounded good in your head. I think everyone can see the fatal flaw in your fiendishly clever scheme.

Bears don't shit in the wood. Never in the whole history of the world has a bear shat in the woods because I have never seen a bear shit in the woods.

Australia is not a real place. It does not exist. Some people believe they are Australian but it's not true. The only people who identify as Australia, I have meet have been in the UK. They are incorrect. Australia doesn't exist because I've never been there.

Dragons are real creatures. I mean why else would so many people write about them if they didn't exist.

I can explain away that two women having a biological baby together is magical whereas a man and a woman unable to have children is due to infertility. This is because sex is exactly the same as gender.

I can explain to a lesbian that it's bigotry to not do dick. This is because sex is exactly the same as gender.

I can explain to a woman that she's now a lesbian and to a child that they must now call him Mummy and if this upsets them they are abusive.

I can explain to an elite athlete and to a teen girl that she didn't get her college sports scholarship because she's just just not trying hard enough.

I can explain away uncomfortable looking data on trans identifying males and sex offenders because it doesn't suit my beliefs and my opinion. It's easier to just call everyone questioning this, bigots rather than to see a problem that could cause harm.

Because in my head it all makes sense. So there. Ner ner. Shut up bigots.

lcakethereforeIam · 25/06/2024 08:22

I wonder why tras get so invested in fictional characters....!? Oh! Never mind.

BezMills · 25/06/2024 08:59

So the proposition from pp is you can think yourself into being female. No. Obviously that's not true.

DrBlackbird · 25/06/2024 09:10

A woman's trauma means nothing.
A woman's dignity means nothing.
A woman's sense of self and worth means nothing.
A woman's sense of identity means nothing.
A woman's own history means nothing.
A woman's emotional wellbeing means nothing.
A woman's safety means nothing.

Adding to this excellent list:
A woman’s ability to name material reality means nothing.
A woman’s ability to speak means nothing.

I used to believe that Antifa would genuinely be against fascism, but realise that some are the fascists. Truly we are living in 1984.

lechiffre55 · 25/06/2024 09:11

I have a question.
If all this transgender stuff is so simple and obvious, why is it not possible to argue the points without resorting to insults and condescension?

It almost seems like it's not possible to make the points without your distain for the gender critical untermensch showing through.

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