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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Scores of actresses turn down roles in play critical of JK Rowling’s gender views.

448 replies

lechiffre55 · 13/06/2024 15:48

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/06/13/scores-actresses-turn-down-roles-play-critical-jk-rowling

"The stage production, which is set to debut at the Edinburgh Fringe, has already caused outrage over a working title which labelled the gender-critical Harry Potter author a c----."

"The production is yet to cast any of the female roles, including that of Rowling herself."

"Actors have been found for male leads, who will portray Harry Potter cast members Rupert Grint and Daniel Radcliffe."

Scores of actresses turn down roles in play critical of JK Rowling’s gender views

Stage production set to debut at the Edinburgh Fringe has already caused outrage over its explicit working title

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/06/13/scores-actresses-turn-down-roles-play-critical-jk-rowling

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DataScraperResistanceArmy · 21/06/2024 15:56

DrNickedMaCorpus · 21/06/2024 07:06

I'm right behind you!

We gather at dusk. Bring your broomstick.

AstonUniRank · 21/06/2024 16:40
Angry Go Away GIF by Freeform

On it.

WhereYouLeftIt · 21/06/2024 16:59

Have you ever protested in person a primarily gender related event ?
No.

Have you ever donated money to a legal crowdfunder/gofundme/etc.... for a gender critical person's legal fees for legal representation related to a gender critical legal challenge?
Yes. I think four or five times now (first was a looong time ago ...). Usually £10, once £25 (I was feeling flush that month).

DrMcCleodsBloatedCorpus · 23/06/2024 09:36

DrNickedMaCorpus · 21/06/2024 07:06

I'm right behind you!

Hold my beer! 🍺

TimGrantsNoAccessToWomen · 23/06/2024 13:24

Bit early for beer, but go on, then.

SidewaysOtter · 23/06/2024 19:38

Much as I think the play will be a pile of virtue-signalling tosh I don’t want to se anyone “cancelled”. Let it go ahead, as far as I’m concerned, and let them all make fools of themselves.

All this “fear of protests” is daft too, I’ve never known any GC protestors be anything other than polite but firm. Of course, that does so often translate to hurt feelings and therefore Actual Genocide in certain circles.

There is a beautiful irony though to them getting hefty dose of their own medicine…

lcakethereforeIam · 23/06/2024 19:42

I'm a firm believer in #OperationLetThemSpeak so it would be a shame for it to be cancelled, not least because we'll probably by blamed for it.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/06/2024 19:52

We've already been blamed in that article for the fact that his play was turned down by multiple other venues.

lonelywater · 23/06/2024 19:58

lcakethereforeIam · 23/06/2024 19:30

Okay! 'Fess up, which one of you vipers is responsible for this?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/06/23/edinburgh-fringe-threatens-pull-jk-rowling-play/

https://archive.ph/44Mw4 jump paywall, perhaps Glinner can advise

Actually I didn't expect this. I hope the venue owner isn't on SM.

That would be a real shame. I dont want to see anything "cancelled" , in addition to which the suspicion that this would be a pile of sunlit shite remains strong.

RoyalCorgi · 23/06/2024 20:14

Much as I think the play will be a pile of virtue-signalling tosh I don’t want to se anyone “cancelled”. Let it go ahead, as far as I’m concerned, and let them all make fools of themselves.

We don't know the full story, do we? Maybe the owner took legal advice. Free speech, when it means expressing an opinion, is one thing, but putting on a production that defames an individual is quite another - as we have seen recently with Baby Reindeer and The Lost King.

Chersfrozenface · 23/06/2024 20:36

RoyalCorgi · 23/06/2024 20:14

Much as I think the play will be a pile of virtue-signalling tosh I don’t want to se anyone “cancelled”. Let it go ahead, as far as I’m concerned, and let them all make fools of themselves.

We don't know the full story, do we? Maybe the owner took legal advice. Free speech, when it means expressing an opinion, is one thing, but putting on a production that defames an individual is quite another - as we have seen recently with Baby Reindeer and The Lost King.

Good point.

In an online article Mark Lewis, who specialises in defamation and privacy claims and acted in the Milly Dowler case that closed down the News if the World, says, "Without wishing to create work for lawyers, all scripts need to be “libel read”."

Perhaps the venue got a lawyer to look at the available information and came to the conclusion that it couldn't afford a possible court case and damages.

Britinme · 23/06/2024 20:40

I don't know if any of you vipers posts on the Telegraph comments section as Lettice Elphinstone, but I let out a small cheer when I read this comment from her:

"real, meaningful, and forward-thinking conversations about how to bridge our differences.”
Mate. There is no bridge. Men can never be women, and men must stay out of women's single sex spaces.
There isn't a halfway house on this I'm afraid. Any compromise will destroy women's sex based rights.
What you actually want is for women to give in to your demands.

Seriestwo · 23/06/2024 20:44

Perhaps he doesn’t need drama. Badoom teeesh

maybe he’s worried about reputational damage.

plus it looks rubbish.

EdenPalmersTerfAuntie · 23/06/2024 20:45

lcakethereforeIam · 23/06/2024 19:30

Okay! 'Fess up, which one of you vipers is responsible for this?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/06/23/edinburgh-fringe-threatens-pull-jk-rowling-play/

https://archive.ph/44Mw4 jump paywall, perhaps Glinner can advise

Actually I didn't expect this. I hope the venue owner isn't on SM.

Ok, I'll draw the fire and distract. IT BLOODY WASN'T ME! Ok, now just let it go.

lcakethereforeIam · 23/06/2024 20:46

From the Telegraph article from a few days ago

The script, Kaplan is quick to confirm, has been fully legalled.

but the article also says (just prior to the bit quoted) that only the first bit had been written and the second half was being workshopped. They can't both be true. It's also possible the legal landscape has changed with the recent case re. The Lost King.

KTheGrey · 23/06/2024 21:09

JKR hasn't threatened legal action, and she's hitherto been pretty forthright when she intends it.

The whole idea is quite dependent on anyone being interested in a pretend story about real people, which doesn't augur anything very dramatically thrilling.

CheeseSandwichRiskAssessment · 23/06/2024 21:11

I hope it is performed so people can see how crap it is.

WyrdyGrob · 23/06/2024 21:15

Maybe we should crowdfund to keep it going.

a win for —sunlight— free speech

RedToothBrush · 23/06/2024 21:17

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/06/2024 19:52

We've already been blamed in that article for the fact that his play was turned down by multiple other venues.

"we were cancelled"

Is a lot more of an easy climb down than

"No actress would touch us" or "we hadn't considered the implications of going ahead after the legal ruling for 'The Lost King'

In February 2024, Richard Taylor initiated legal action for libel against Steve Coogan, the production company Baby Cow, and the distributors Pathé, regarding his portrayal in The Lost King. Taylor claimed his character, as played by Lee Ingleby, was depicted in a highly negative "patronising and misogynistic" manner, and that the film suggested he took credit for the discovery, which he asserted was primarily Langley's achievement.

On 14 June 2024, a high court judge ruled that the portrayal of Taylor in the film was defamatory. The judge, Mr Justice Lewis, noted that the character was consistently depicted negatively throughout the film. Although the judge rejected Taylor's argument that the portrayal suggested misogyny or sexism, he concluded that the film's overall depiction would lead a reasonable viewer to believe that Taylor had misrepresented facts to the media and the public, had marginalized Langley's role, and had behaved in a smug, dismissive and patronizing manner. The ruling allowed the case to proceed to a full trial, requiring Coogan, Baby Cow, and Pathé to defend the portrayal of Taylor in the film.

TheLinguisticalGangster · 23/06/2024 21:32

The script may have been "fully legalled" but that doesn't actually make it any good.

RedToothBrush · 23/06/2024 21:42

lcakethereforeIam · 23/06/2024 20:46

From the Telegraph article from a few days ago

The script, Kaplan is quick to confirm, has been fully legalled.

but the article also says (just prior to the bit quoted) that only the first bit had been written and the second half was being workshopped. They can't both be true. It's also possible the legal landscape has changed with the recent case re. The Lost King.

Edited

It's been 'fully legalled' on the first half. Legal told them they were likely to have a problem. Hence them being on writing the second half now. As well as rewriting the first...

Seriestwo · 23/06/2024 21:45

“Cancelled” v “we thought we’d go to the biggest arts fetsival in the world without a venue or a cast and landed up looking a bit shit”

NitroNine · 23/06/2024 22:00

I don’t think Peter Schaufuss is likely to be on MN - though I find the idea delightful - but he definitely knows what a woman is. Some of BalletWorld might be fecking about with things; but the supermajority of it’s not having any truck with the idea a male dancer can fit into the female corps. Their bodies are just wrong - & you can of course have views on the ballet aesthetic (I shouldn’t care my feet have no instep, & yet… though at least I never bought the weird chicken fillets for feet…) - but for purely practical reasons much of it can’t change. And the mechanics of partnering…

Anyway, I digress.

It also wouldn’t surprise me if it was a legal issue. Schaufuss won’t want the headache; & as PP have pointed out, if they’re workshopping the second act, it’s not been checked. And if it’s libellous JKR will obviously act.

SinnerBoy · 23/06/2024 22:23

I also wondered about the libel possibility, in light of the recent cases.

Our play has now been subjected to the same censorship and stymied thinking which prevents us from having real, meaningful, and forward-thinking conversations about how to bridge our differences.”

In the immortal words of the Girlschool song:

Yeah, Right!

It's got the square root of fuck all to do with bridging differences and everything to do with being nasty to JKR, in an attempt to put other women off, from stating their opinions.