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Scores of actresses turn down roles in play critical of JK Rowling’s gender views.

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lechiffre55 · 13/06/2024 15:48

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/06/13/scores-actresses-turn-down-roles-play-critical-jk-rowling

"The stage production, which is set to debut at the Edinburgh Fringe, has already caused outrage over a working title which labelled the gender-critical Harry Potter author a c----."

"The production is yet to cast any of the female roles, including that of Rowling herself."

"Actors have been found for male leads, who will portray Harry Potter cast members Rupert Grint and Daniel Radcliffe."

Scores of actresses turn down roles in play critical of JK Rowling’s gender views

Stage production set to debut at the Edinburgh Fringe has already caused outrage over its explicit working title

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/06/13/scores-actresses-turn-down-roles-play-critical-jk-rowling

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SocoBateVira · 20/06/2024 09:25

lechiffre55 · 20/06/2024 09:20

I'm seeing a pattern here.
But so far from a small self selecting mumsnet sample :
100% no gender critical protesting in person.
100% donating to support gender critical legal causes.

My donations were to crowfunding for legal representation for employment tribunals with a gender critial element. Maya Forstater type stuff.

It appears at first glance that mumsnet don't appear in person to protest, but instead donate to legal cases where the outcome is relevant to protecting their legal rights as women.
You won't have angry mumsnetters turn up to your JKR parody farce, but if you get into legal hot water, expect mumsnetters to bung in a few quid each en masse. Considering how well those gender critical sex based rights legal challenges have gone, this seems a very effective way to protest.

Def agree! I'm another who's a no to poll 1 and a yes to poll 2. This is the thing about middle aged women with disposable income. We spend it.

DialSquare · 20/06/2024 09:29

This is the thing about middle aged women with disposable income. We spend it.

Exactly. This always seems to come as a surprise to TRAs. Maybe they think we should be spending it on gold Lamé
Bags instead!

Chersfrozenface · 20/06/2024 09:32

DialSquare · 20/06/2024 09:29

This is the thing about middle aged women with disposable income. We spend it.

Exactly. This always seems to come as a surprise to TRAs. Maybe they think we should be spending it on gold Lamé
Bags instead!

Oh, don't worry, someone will be round shortly to berate us for "abusing our privilege" and womaning wrong.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if a certain given name of Scandinavian origin gets used.

Cattenberg · 20/06/2024 09:41

Chersfrozenface · 20/06/2024 09:32

Oh, don't worry, someone will be round shortly to berate us for "abusing our privilege" and womaning wrong.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if a certain given name of Scandinavian origin gets used.

It took me a minute to work that one out! 😆

I’m not rich - I’m a single parent earning less than £25,000, but I can’t watch the gradual erosion of women’s rights and do nothing.

WintryJuneWhy · 20/06/2024 09:57

Rowling is diabolically acerbic; Watson is a sanctimonious virtue-signaller with a shaky handle on the facts; Daniel is an intellectually sceptical alcoholic. “You have no appreciation for the world that made you possible,” Rowling says to Radcliffe at one point. “Your generation treats propaganda as if it were gospel, opinion as if it were fact, and god forbid someone should even hint that maybe up is not down, you bravely silence them with 280 character smears.” The script, Kaplan is quick to confirm, has been fully legalled.

(Regarding the original title)
“I’m not calling Rowling that,” says Kaplan. “Instead I’m trying to get people to confront the sort of language they use against her.

It’s also not true, he says, that 90 actors have turned down the role of Rowling. “We only started casting two weeks ago!” he says in bewilderment. “No actress has turned down the role because of concerns about playing her.” In fact, Texan actress Laura Kay Bailey was cast yesterday, as was Australian actress Trelawny Kean as Watson.
‘I’m not calling JK Rowling a terf’: Inside the play that has Edinburgh running scared (msn.com)

Scores of actresses turn down roles in play critical of JK Rowling’s gender views.
WitchyWitcherson · 20/06/2024 10:06

Yes I've contributed to a few crowdfunds!

TWETMIRF · 20/06/2024 10:08

That excerpt is boring.

Yes to the second poll, more than once but not sure how many times

SocoBateVira · 20/06/2024 10:08

DialSquare · 20/06/2024 09:29

This is the thing about middle aged women with disposable income. We spend it.

Exactly. This always seems to come as a surprise to TRAs. Maybe they think we should be spending it on gold Lamé
Bags instead!

I think they'll graciously allow us to contribute to charitable causes and the like, but they need to be the approved ones.

Alas for them, my debit card disagrees.

Seriestwo · 20/06/2024 10:18

TWETMIRF · 20/06/2024 10:08

That excerpt is boring.

Yes to the second poll, more than once but not sure how many times

It is, but it is less boring than I expected.

ive never protested and I regularly donate.

AstonUniRank · 20/06/2024 10:20

This is an American man trying to write about UK women. I don't know if he's going to be able to grasp the cultural nuances, and the choice of 'TERF Cunt' as a title certainly doesn't inspire confidence.

Bodeganights · 20/06/2024 10:27

Donated to 6 or 7 crowdfunders, some multiple times. Not much, a fiver here a tenner there.
That excerpt is weird, if the whole show is like that I cant see it taking off or winning awards.

Chersfrozenface · 20/06/2024 10:45

As of 4th April there were 1,647 shows already booked into the Ed Fringe and the full programme has only just been announced so who knows how many have been added since then.

So there's plenty of competition.

lcakethereforeIam · 20/06/2024 11:04

That excerpt is terrible, makes JKR sound egocentric. 'responsibility to the trans community'!, like telling them that words aren't violence, that disagreement isn't hatred and that JKR isn't transphobic

Poll 1. no and 2. 3 or 4, I wish it could be more.

I did pretend to live in Llandudno once to fill is a stupid Welsh Police questionnaire, but that was ages ago and I'm better than that now 😇

WitchyWitcherson · 20/06/2024 11:20

lcakethereforeIam · 20/06/2024 11:04

That excerpt is terrible, makes JKR sound egocentric. 'responsibility to the trans community'!, like telling them that words aren't violence, that disagreement isn't hatred and that JKR isn't transphobic

Poll 1. no and 2. 3 or 4, I wish it could be more.

I did pretend to live in Llandudno once to fill is a stupid Welsh Police questionnaire, but that was ages ago and I'm better than that now 😇

I get the feeling instead of giving a "balanced view", it's just going to piss everyone off 😂

SidewaysOtter · 20/06/2024 12:34

Oh, don't worry, someone will be round shortly to berate us for "abusing our privilege" and womaning wrong.

See, this is what's wrong with equality. We women were given economic freedom and what have we done with it? Gone around upsetting the patriarchy and trying to restrict men's rights to do what ever the hell they please.

I hope we're all proud of ourselves.

Grin
WallaceinAnderland · 20/06/2024 16:00

So, the script is basically navel gazing from 4 different perspectives?

No thanks. Sounds like a drag.

WallaceinAnderland · 20/06/2024 16:01

Oh and no to protesting, yes to donating (and buying/boycotting where appropriate)

Chersfrozenface · 20/06/2024 16:02

WallaceinAnderland · 20/06/2024 16:00

So, the script is basically navel gazing from 4 different perspectives?

No thanks. Sounds like a drag.

And yet in the Ed Fringe programme, its category is "Theatre (comedy, lgbtq+)".

Comedy. I kid you not.

WyrdyGrob · 20/06/2024 16:27

Idid pretend to live in Llandudno once to fill is a stupid Welsh Police questionnaire, but that was ages ago and I'm better than that now 😇

i should jolly well hope so too! I mean ‘Decapitate TERFs‘ vs ‘I live in Llandudno‘

it’s no contest, you are just pure bile spewing evil with that. I can’t believe you aren’t already in prison for hatecrime.

as for the poll

1: no
2: yes

and it was being invited (and declining when I looked it up and read both sides) to a TRA counterprotest that really made Me sit up and take notice. It was the smoke bomb one FWIW. And I couldn’t believe the groupthink of the self styled nice, kind people who were inviting me.

KTheGrey · 20/06/2024 17:44

TWETMIRF · 20/06/2024 10:08

That excerpt is boring.

Yes to the second poll, more than once but not sure how many times

Well the better bits are quotations, and the dodgy bits are when JKR gets all arsy about being betrayed. She may or may not feel that, but what she has publicly expressed is the opinion that people who support child transitioning are culpable, and that we all have a responsibility to women and to children. It just doesn't sit with "you had a responsibility to me!" which is a very dramatic and self involved response, especially to a) actors and b) people you've known since childhood.

Also Rupert Grint has been far more diplomatic about his opinions on JKR than the other two, but the dialogue reads like they are a three headed monster - three voices, one opinion. It's a model of poor writing.

WaterThyme · 20/06/2024 21:32

Yes I’ve been to a gender critical rally at the Scottish Parliament.
Yes I have contributed several times to crowdfunders

I also have a standing order to one gender critical organisation.

Ramblingnamechanger · 20/06/2024 23:33

As a lesbian I have been involved in protesting some of the events supposedly about lgbt but which seem to exclude the L. Eg library events or local pride. Mainly by showing the young women that you can be a lesbian without mutilating your body or taking hormones…aiming at engagement, not confrontation. Also donated to whichever Court cases / events I know about whenever I can…probably about 20 plus so far

EdenPalmersTerfAuntie · 21/06/2024 07:04

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DrNickedMaCorpus · 21/06/2024 07:06

EdenPalmersTerfAuntie · 21/06/2024 07:04

I'm using my username to mark all threads safe from naggy Nicci.

I'm right behind you!

IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 21/06/2024 12:28

WintryJuneWhy · 20/06/2024 09:57

Rowling is diabolically acerbic; Watson is a sanctimonious virtue-signaller with a shaky handle on the facts; Daniel is an intellectually sceptical alcoholic. “You have no appreciation for the world that made you possible,” Rowling says to Radcliffe at one point. “Your generation treats propaganda as if it were gospel, opinion as if it were fact, and god forbid someone should even hint that maybe up is not down, you bravely silence them with 280 character smears.” The script, Kaplan is quick to confirm, has been fully legalled.

(Regarding the original title)
“I’m not calling Rowling that,” says Kaplan. “Instead I’m trying to get people to confront the sort of language they use against her.

It’s also not true, he says, that 90 actors have turned down the role of Rowling. “We only started casting two weeks ago!” he says in bewilderment. “No actress has turned down the role because of concerns about playing her.” In fact, Texan actress Laura Kay Bailey was cast yesterday, as was Australian actress Trelawny Kean as Watson.
‘I’m not calling JK Rowling a terf’: Inside the play that has Edinburgh running scared (msn.com)

This is truly appallingly written.

Edited to add that I'm referring to the script, not your post!

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