Keir Starmer to end Tory Culture Wars

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Oh what a relief. Where would we be without him?

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/exclusive-keir-starmer-says-he-will-end-tory-culture-wars-if-he-becomes-prime-minister_uk_6666d7d2e4b02fc48bf3ec39?d_id=7763591&ncid_tag=tweetlnkukhpmg00000001&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=uk_main

“That’s why I’ve said that politics needs to tread more lightly on people’s lives.”

But transactivists are free to trample all over women's hard one rights eh Keir?
If you think we are going away mate, you have another think coming.

whoops "won" not "one". How did autocorrect do that?

I still think he's just saying what he needs to to get elected. He did the same thing in order to win the labour leadership contest.

He knows he's going to piss off either GC women or TRAs no matter what he does. He probably knows that trying to tread a line down the middle is going to piss off both (take a look at UK trans spaces on reddit, they're just as wound up at him as people on here are).

But he also knows that both those groups are small compared to the number of people who just don't give a shit. The people who don't understand the issue, haven't spent the time needed to be peaked, who just wish that everyone would shut up about it and focus on the economy, the NHS, the things that affect them day to day. Those are the ones he really doesn't want to piss off.

The Torys have very few attack lines on labour at the moment, trans is one of them. So he's trying to take the heat out of it, make it a non issue, so that they can't attack him on it.

I have no idea what his position will be after the election. I think his preference will be to do nothing, there's a lot of shit to fix and there will be a temptation to chuck this on the back burner until something forces him to deal with it. He seems to me to be a sensible yet ruthless man, he'll have seen what happened to the SNP when they pushed too hard in favour of trans rights over womens rights, so he'll be in no rush to go there.

Eventually though there will be some story that cuts through enough that he has to take a stand, and as he has no personal skin in the game, he'll see which way the wind is blowing and probably go with whatever he thinks public opinion wants. So we need to keep making as much noise as possible.

Dear Keir;

''We shouldn’t be here, but we are. If some of the “radicalised” are partly to blame — and I admit that we are — it is only because we thought better of the men attacking us now. We thought you were good people and you weren’t. That’s what changed us. That’s all on you. ''

https://thecritic.co.uk/lefty-mens-failures-have-radicalised-women/

Here’s what Keir said to me right here on Mumsnet during his “please support me for Labour Leader” Q&A. Funnily enough, he never got round to having this debate and now broad brushes the wider issue as “culture wars.”

He’s right to use the term exhausting, but what is exhausting is the fact that no matter how much we try to raise the issue with Labour, with a few honourable exceptions, we are ignored.

(his response to me did make Pink News, though, but he/his office never had the decency to even acknowledge receipt of my follow up emails to him)

Ooops, forgot to add screenshot

So as usual a lot of words but no substance.

his response to me did make Pink News, though, but he/his office never had the decency to even acknowledge receipt of my follow up emails to him)

What did PInk News say @rogdmum?

The more I think about this comment of his about " culture wars" the more I realise he has no political instinct at all. He's going to be a lousy leader - although he may well display authoritarian tendencies - which kind of goes against his wishy washy, mealy mouthed persona.

In all of these years can it be true that he has actually not really listened and learned at all. That he has shown no desire to understand the issue speaks of total political illiteracy. It doesn't bode well. It makes me wonder who is really driving this policy proposal of his - has he really totally handed it over to Linda Riley, who is his LGBTQ lead?

It's certainly interesting to see them showing their hand so clearly. I thought last week, when they were falling over themselves to dismiss women's concerns as 'a distraction', that they might regret their indiscipline and back pedal a bit. But they've obviously calculated they don't need to.

Here you go @Ereshkigalangcleg

Thanks @rogdmum

If you start to say 2+2=5,and further, that you're a bigot not to agree, then you have declared war: against reality, logic,human experience, and freedom of speech. And "stopping the culture war"="#nodebate", and we tried that, and that time is over. So grow up Keir,you'll need to up your game as "beeeee kinnndd!!" Ain't gonna cut it now

This is his equivalent of 'Get Brexit Done'. He knows there are some issues his target voters are fed up of hearing about despite having not taken the time to really understand and he is promising to make all mention of these awkward subjects go away, possibly in the same ham-fisted way BJ dealt with Brexit.

I see there is a concerted campaign to try to oust Kemi Badenoch from her seat too. Michale Cashman gloating about it ( apparently just 2% difference in her favour currently) The suggestion is the Cass Review only reached its conclusions becaue Badenoch had filled the commission with GC voices.

I suspect there will be a concerted campaign to over-rule the findings, or certainly to conduct another 'review' - maybe this time focusing on the two new gender clinics which have been set up to replace the Tavistock.

The use of the phrase culture wars by anyone on the left (not that KS is anywhere on the left) is short hand for saying right wing reactionaries who are trying to stop progress.

Does anyone know the readership of Huffington Post? Only asking because the whole article is so pathetic, it makes you wonder if its readership are school children.

I don't believe a word this man says.

This, like everything else he says, is just hot air. I'm really starting to dislike him.

He never says how he is going to do anything does he. Bit of a sad wanker imo.

Always worth remembering Cashman's views on safeguarding children - as something that must be "pushed back against"
When someone shows you who they are and all that......

"The right wing in the House of Lords has organised a debate for the 7th of December on safeguarding in schools! We must push back against these people".

There must be two (or more) sides for there to be a 'war', so it's not 'Tory culture wars' he wants to end, it's Tories (and others) disagreeing with him.

A 'Tory culture war' would be Tories disagreeing amongst themselves, and Labour could just sit back and watch them fighting - nothing to do with them.

This is so simplistic.

What happens is that there is an issue that becomes news (like the multi-coloured England flag of the England football shirt), journalists then ask politicians for their opinions, the journalists then frame it as "government says this" and then allows for people to start going on about culture wars and government distractions. Politicians didn't use it as a distraction they were asked about it when trying to announce some other policy.

Too many times are there issues created by the media and they deliberately ask politicians about them to perpetuate the issue and to continue to report on the issue.

Like the whole Princess Catherine conspiracy theories deliberately perpetuated by the media.

You're being played by the media.

This is an absolutely cracking post

Was just reminded by this thread that I saw, or rather keep getting this as a sponsored post of facebook, a whole new area of academic study on the origins of "Woke" culture and in fact makes it sound like it is in fact something started by the "left" to undermine accepted cultural norms.

" ... This 15-week course presents a theoretical, historical and social scientific analysis of cultural socialism. Uniquely among university courses worldwide, it focuses attention on the western cultural left and its accompanying symbolic system of wokeness – defined as the sacralization of minority identity.

The aim is to assess woke in an empirical and analytical manner rather than from a particular political or normative position.

The course begins by defining terms and setting out competing theories regarding the origin and reproduction of wokeness in the West. Students will obtain a grounding in the history, ideology, organizational dynamics, public opinion, electoral implications, policy aspects and philosophy of this idea. This will involve consideration of how woke interacts with classical liberalism, populism and conservatism to produce a recursive radicalizing pattern, abetting polarization. Woke will also be examined in light of global population shifts and techno-economic developments. ... "

Organised by the "Heterodox Centre"(?!) https://www.buckingham.ac.uk/courses/occasional/woke/

has he really totally handed it over to Linda Riley, who is his LGBTQ lead?

Is Linda Riley really the Labour LGBTQ lead @RebelliousCow?

I'm incensed! Only this morning I was thinking that I'd hold my nose (yet again) and vote Labour but these comments have really done it for me. I'm fed up of being painted as a gullible Tory puppet who can't think for herself. If Labour can't take seriously the genuine concerns of women and girls then they don't deserve my vote. The Tories won't get it either but I'll be damned if I'll vote for Labour now. 😡

What Wallace said.