Keir Starmer to end Tory Culture Wars

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Oh what a relief. Where would we be without him?

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/exclusive-keir-starmer-says-he-will-end-tory-culture-wars-if-he-becomes-prime-minister_uk_6666d7d2e4b02fc48bf3ec39?d_id=7763591&ncid_tag=tweetlnkukhpmg00000001&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=uk_main

Starmer was in the party during this period. Did he stand up and defend these women? Did he fuck. That tells you all you need to know.

St Keir can do no wrong though.

St Keir of Islington brings enlightenment to us all.

Those who do not follow the light of his path are damned for eternity or the closest Conservative Club.

Repent fools.

See him as I do. Untouched and uninfluenced by other branches of the party. Unwilling to compromise for the sake of us all.

That does not make him the modern day version of McCarthy though, which is what was being asserted.

Whatever. I get you hate him, your choice. I was just interested in the evidence for people equating him with McCarthy. But it was just the normal Rosie Duffield thing.

Why do you think Rosie stays in the party if its so awful for her there? I'd assume she doesn't agree with the majority view here, or she would have left.

Hmm.

He's not exactly rushing to prosecute those who have misrepresented the law and moneytised this institutionalised sexism or have abandoned medical ethics for children is he now?

He's not exactly saying 'We are against violence and threats to women. Yes this includes threatening even TERFs' is her?

There are numerous other examples.

Shall we go with the following for starters:

How about condemning the defamation of JKR?

Or calling for Mridul Wadhwa to resign and be investigated for serious misconduct?

Or do you think perhaps he's ok enabling and turning a blind eye to all these things

But they began to realise what was happening and that it was wrong.

They stopped Scotland bringing in self ID … and there is more. For example who paused the ‘ban conversion therapy bill’ going through as part of ban LG conversion, over various concerns. Who commissioned the Cass report?
Having made a list before, several times, I cannot face it again.

When is the investigation into Susie Green?

Yes and that is all fair enough. I just think they did it for votes rather than out of any concern for women.
I wish this hadn't been politicised. It is too important.

A bit like the IDF/Hamas war too. Politicising an issue where real people on both sides are being harmed. I hate it. We should be civilised enough to resolve these things by now without resorting to polarised name calling.

CassieMaddox · Today 20:52

It is misinformation sinner

It's not at all, try to read between the lines to work out the exact implications of what he says. What will be the result of the £5 Lady Ticket, do you think?

You want to believe him, so you choose to "see no ships."

So why is this all being framed as a 'culture war' rather than legitimate unresolved concerns that the current leader of the opposition is too chicken shit to address because he's scared he's going to lose an election for listening to very real issues?

Instead he seeks to legitimise them by saying it's a culture war. He could kill of the culture war on this by saying even a fraction of this and that these are fair concerns that no matter what your political persuasion, should be addressed because all people and their beliefs are worthy of respect in a democratic society. Violence and threats of violence are never ok, regardless of the importance of the cause.

You are contradicting yourself here now...

Why is what they did ‘for votes’ but KS’s and others tra pandering not ‘for votes’.

As far as I can see the Cass report was commissioned on the basis of Savid Javid understanding something was going wrong, not ‘for votes’. The pausing of the trans aspect of ban conversion therapy, was politically likely to lose votes - what Channel 4 news did with it was almost mad. Kemi Badenoch clearly understands the issues and must have had to be extraordinarily persistent and dogged to keep bringing it up, and I doubt very much it is ’for votes’.

I think really no change will be the result of the "£5 lady ticket"
The Conservatives reduced the charge to £5 so that's already in place.
The process for getting a "lady ticket" is already successful in 96% of cases and so can't get much easier.
And having a "sex changed ticket" (including change to male) is something that only 5000 people have done so far. It could double or treble under Labour and be an absolute tiny drop in the ocean.

Meanwhile Labour are promising to keep spaces for biological women only. That isn't "self ID".

The Cass Report was commissioned by Matt Hancock in response to Keira Bell winning her court case. It wasn't out of a sudden fit of concern for GNC children. It was out of a worry the NHS was about to be sued to kingdom come and mitigating the risk.
I would assume any party in power would have done the same, that's their job.

When you say Starmer is pandering to TRAs for votes, what do you mean? TRAs hate him and think he sold them out.

EDITED to add Badenoch is primarily concerned with getting the EA scrapped so her Tory mates don't have to worry about being sued for discrimination for pesky things like sacking women when they get pregnant. And don't forget getting elected. She sat on the EA thing for a year so it could go in the manifesto rather than sorting it out.

I don't think you've read the article or understand what a culture war means and to be honest I don't really want to have to try to explain it again.

Here you go @RedToothBrush

Paradox time.

How come Kemi tacking a known issue which has resulted in court cases and a review that points out a scandal is 'doing it for votes'

But someone who can't be arsed to condemn violence, acknowledge the report and it's finding, or apologise to an MP for being right because of concerns of losing the youth vote isn't 'doing so for the votes'.

St Keir strikes again.

Case in point illustrating the culture war quote:

"Culture war" ...describes a state of affairs where there is not simply deep disagreement on contentious issues but politics and possibly society is split between groups that see each other as total evil, or driven solely by base or stupid motives.

Instead of thinking of a political opponent as someone fundamentally decent, and honest in their beliefs, who one simply happens to disagree with, the view of them is Manichean.

I can have my own opinion on Badenoch and the Conservatives. There is no need to attack me for it.

You've also completely twisted what I've said to suit your own culture war narrative.

CassieMaddox · Today 21:28

I think really no change will be the result of the "£5 lady ticket"

I'm sorry, but I cannot help but see you as anything but an ingenue.

OK.
The "lady ticket" charge is already £5. And the success rate is 96%. Around 5000 people have been through the process.

What is it about the new process that you think is going to increase the risk to women in any meaningful way?

But do you know what? The repeated insults and attacks for having a different opinion have got to me tonight. This isn't a battle its worth me having.

Meanwhile Labour are promising to keep spaces for biological women only. That isn't "self ID".

But will not answer the question of how they intend to achieve this. Some muttering about guidelines is the best you get and wishy washy ineffectual guidelines are useless as has been proven time and time and time again.

At present they have to have a diagnosis of gender dysphoria from two doctors. I don't know how rigorous this is or if people like Webberley would sign off people like Isla Bryson. This is then reviewed by a panel before the certificate is granted. If 4% fail then presumably there is some good reason for not granting the certificate these cases. Maybe some of them are paedophiles or rapists.

Surely some gatekeeping is better than none.

Feeling validated at the use of lady ticket here.

I'm sure I posted the NatCen report on how everyone has swung against the profilgate distribution of lady tickets.

They won't be going on sale with Labour either once they read that, down to 25 percent approval cross party voting identification.

The thing about culture wars is they burn hot and then cold very quickly.