Keir Starmer to end Tory Culture Wars

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Oh what a relief. Where would we be without him?

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/exclusive-keir-starmer-says-he-will-end-tory-culture-wars-if-he-becomes-prime-minister_uk_6666d7d2e4b02fc48bf3ec39?d_id=7763591&ncid_tag=tweetlnkukhpmg00000001&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=uk_main

Thats exactly what Starmer is pledging to deliver
Yet many people say they are politically homeless or will vote Tory or Reform, neither of who are planning to deliver any of that.
It's totally inconsistent

But you are totally under the influence of the Right Wing Press and your experience is totally irrelevant because you are too stupid to think for yourself and just are following what the Right Wing Press are saying even though it was Labour Members who GAVE stories to the Mail (often after first going to Left wing media)

Didn't you know?

Now shut up and let others talk over you who know best, there's a good girl.

pats on head

(Irony is dead isn't it?)

Yes indeed, I've never really checked out independent candidates before so it's been a delightful surprise, and also quite humbling, to discover we have a decent, local candidate who I think I will be happy to endorse should the need arise (as I expect it will.)

Sadly not the case here!

Sorry to hear that, I feel very fortunate.

How much "diversity training" have you done?
I've done lots. Even delivered some. Public and private sector.
It is not centrally mandated and it is very very variable quality. Some of it is excellent, some of it is shit.

So this "The ACTUAL LAW isn't being reflected by diversity training." is hyperbole designed to deflect and make a black and white point.

There are some examples of some kinds of diversity training that doesn't reflect the ACTUAL LAW. But there is plenty that does and is useful and informative.

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Yes of course. Everyone is brainwashed by the LGBTQ cult but simultaneously the right wing press has no impact at all and barely deserves a mention.

The mandatory EDI training at my workplace misquoted the Equality Act, twice. The response when I pointed this out was dismissive. I am confident the reply would have been quite different if I'd pointed out blatant errors in training on GDPR or safety (I work in a STEM department in a building full of dangerous chemicals and machinery). What the fuck this has to do with the right wing press I have no idea.

Nothing.
The blanket "ban woke diversity training" has everything to do with the RW media and is just 2024s version of "health and safety gone mad"

Once again being dismissive of a problem, because its 'only little' and/or 'it doesn't really matter'...

Problem right there in neon lights for you.

I wonder who can see it. Hmm.

This post shows why I'm so aerated about Reform being seen as any form of credible option by "at least they know what a woman is" voters

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/general-election-2024/5094915-welcome-to-reforms-vision-for-state-control?reply=135987308&utm_campaign=reply&utm_medium=share

Yes great. A dictatorship will be much better for women.

Has anyone actually said they will be voting for Reform on this thread?

Stop being pass agg, it really doesn't add much.

You are always similarly "dismissive" of people with a different perspective to you. And I'm not making pass aggressive snipes about it.

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Has anyone actually said they will be voting for Reform on this thread?

No. Its rage baiting imo.

This is a thread about culture wars, specifically the trans issue (even though KS wasn't talking about that).
We've been discussing why voters might move to the far right as a response to Starmers Labour, feeling "politically homeless" and how reasonable that is.

Voting to the right means Reform or Conservative. I'm just showing what a vote for Reform means.

@CassieMaddox

"Yes great. A dictatorship will be much better for women"

Somewhat over reacting to describe a vote for Reform as a vote for dictatorship 😀.

I would say that the proposals from the hard left of state control of various industries and intolerance of any criticism is closer to dictatorship than anything in the Reform manifesto.

CassieMaddox · Today 11:54
This post shows why I'm so aerated about Reform being seen as any form of credible option by "at least they know what a woman is" voters...

I remembered, along with many people here, having to contact my local council and schools to remind them that sex was a protect characteristics and gender identity wasn't. It was a similar picture across the country.

I dont how they would have assumed the mistake if it wasn't for rubbish training.

And I'm just pointing out that no one here that I've seen has said that they are voting Reform "because they know what a woman is" so it's a straw man like most of your points are.

@RedToothBrush many people don't care about engaging people to vote for their preferred option, they just want to sneer at others. There are many such people on MN and it's always such an unpleasant place to be around a significant election. I was taking a break, I need to have better will power.

Heres a question.

What are Labour doing wrong and what do they need to improve on?

I tend to agree with this.

'Culture War' = anyone who disagrees with me is wrong.

Not thinking actually we come from different perseptives and maybe if I listen and understand where someone is coming from I might understand them better and actually they might have a point that we have overlooked but actually is important and we must consider this carefully in the process of legislation.

Thats the problem.

Whats interesting over the trans stuff, is where the Tory party/government line has been and what the Labour Party was like with no nuance at all over it and how it has been shifting.

Its framed as a culture war. Its not. Its a safeguarding failure and a failure to protect womens rights and homosexuals rights. But god forbid anyone admits this in the run up to an election. Its such an easy swipe to make, why bother to actually give a shit about actual problems when you might miss out on a opportunity to bob your opponent around the head with a TV Gladiator style pugil stick.

Did you look at the link?
If you want to vote for them please do. Just raising awareness for people who don't go below Farage soundbites.