Keir Starmer to end Tory Culture Wars

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Oh what a relief. Where would we be without him?

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/exclusive-keir-starmer-says-he-will-end-tory-culture-wars-if-he-becomes-prime-minister_uk_6666d7d2e4b02fc48bf3ec39?d_id=7763591&ncid_tag=tweetlnkukhpmg00000001&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=uk_main

Indeed. Us 'rights hoarding dinosaurs' have some very difficult decisions to make on 4th.

Oh dear, second thread I have checked today for the first time, and guess what it has been hijacked by the usual suspects.

Which at leasts makes it easier to skim through and so many posts can be ignored.

Isn't it possible just for once, that if a thread is about, in this instance, the culture wars, we could discuss that, and not rise to the bait of vote Labour.

Added to which it would be more than reasonable to start a thread that says Labour is the best option, and OP is happy to argue in support of that, instead of randomly attaching this issue to every other one.

Its got so bad now, even if I found an interesting article or whatever about culture wars, would think it would be worth starting as it will just be dumbed down into the rabbit hole of repitition by a few, that some reasons others think are worth responding to.

Wouldn't it be generous and accommodating to accept that have an obsession and think maybe it would be politer, more in keeping with the culture of FWR to start my own thread instead of gatecrashing everyone.

So does Kier want to forcibly stop people from having differences of opinion then? That sounds like totalitarianism to me.

He wants to destroy free speech? Right, another reason not to vote Labour, then.

He's hardly the jack-booted dictator type.

You talk a lot about fascism.

Yet Orwell always warned that the danger in the UK was less about fascism and more about the authoritarian left.

The history of the authoritarian left tends to get ignored, glossed over or minimised in the UK cos it's all about our historic ego stroking against the Nazis.

Just. Y'know. Saying.

I see him more as a McCarthy figure.

The title of the thread is "Keir Starmer to end Tory Culture Wars"
Surely you'd expect a variety of political views on it? It's about Labour!

Politely, if you think Starmer is anywhere near Orwells "authoritarian left" you are off your head.
Ridiculous hyperbole. He's so centrist it's untrue.

Quite.

Exactly where I'm at with it.

Plus the concerns are about internal party fighting and pressure to silence certain groups for wrong think.

McCarthy destroyed the lives of a lot of innocent people.

He hasn't got the cojones to be a McCarthy or a dictator, he's a weak, 'path of least resistance' type.

You've piqued my interest though. Do you have any sources for that worry or is it one you came up with yourself? What are the features of Starmer that make you think he's a modern day McCarthy? Is it that he hasn't apologised to Rosie Duffield or is there more?

Maybe I should rephrase this. He's likely to allow McCarthism. McCarthy wasn't the bloke in charge. He took advantage of fear of the left though.

I think we are seeing a lot of ridicilous 'fear of the right'. As in 'views that disagree with me'.

The Tories are largely morally and intellectually bankrupt. Just one thing, that they facilitated that worthless POS Boris Johnson to the keys of No 10, is alone enough to damn them for all eternity, AFAIC. I'm happy with where I stand, for me, it's on the Left. That doesn't mean I have to go along with what's going on in the Labour party right now. It used to be only the relatively far-left ('Bennites'?) who were unhappy with GE results, whichever way they went. This time around, I think there'll be a lot more people dreading both a Labour or a Tory victory.

I am dreading every conceivable result tbh!

No possible outcome is good for the country.

Well apart from Labour and the Tories having to form a coalition to keep out Farage.

THAT would just be entertaining and the equivalent of locking them all in a room together and making them fight and work it out amongst themselves before dragging the rest of the country into their bullshit.

True story! I don't see any great enthusiasm for what labour have to offer. The tories are in total disarray and labour have an open goal. They'll get elected merely by not being the tories. That's frankly not sufficient, is it?

No, it's not. I think we're all about on the same page here. And it's not good.

It's wrong to claim that Starmer will introduce self ID is misinformation.

He hasn't used those actual words, but he has said he's going to make it much, much simpler to get a GRC.

Combined with all the other mad rubbish he's had to say - most women don't have a penis; it's wrong to say only women have a cervix; trans people are the most marginalised - combined with the way he's ignored, sidelined and hung out to dry GC people in his party indicates that that is exactly what he intends.

People who believe otherwise are naive to believe that, because he's savvy enough to understand that saying those exact words would be a huge vote loser may choose to believe otherwise.

He has failed to impress me.

No, still don't understand.
What specifically is it that makes you equate Starmer to McCarthy?
"Fear of the right" is very vague.

Look in the mirror if you want an explanation. Everyone else on the thread gets it.

There have been witch hunts / McCarthyist denunciations, censorship of views and bullying using the Labour party disciplinary process for sex realist views: https://thecritic.co.uk/the-labour-party-and-gender-critical-women/

It is misinformation sinner
I became GC when the Conservatives were planning full self-ID. When the proposal was full on TWAW and there was no debate about it, when women raising concerns were written off as "purported feminists".

When we had the mental "female disguised as a male" headline about an absconded rapist.

At that point the proposal was any man could just say verbally he was a woman and that was enough to gain him access to womens spaces of all kinds.

Labour's plan is absolutely nowhere near "self-ID" and I find it extremely irritating when people claim it is. And not to be rude, but back in 2015 the free speech male posters were not here supporting us. They wouldn't touch it with a bargepole. Women were fighting for this stuff alone.

That's partly why I get so pissed off with the Tories playing party politics with this. They have been just as bad as everyone else.

OK. That was under Corbyn. L'OJ was witchfinder general and he has since left the party because it doesnt fit his views. So I don't think that is evidence that its reasonable to equate Starmer with McCarthy.

Nothing of the kind happened in the Tories. Even when many of the cabinet were TWAW, women who disagreed were allowed to speak. It's systemic, it's in the trade unions and Labour still highly influenced by them. Starmer has excluded RD recently and never apologised to any of the women affected.

He's pretending to care about women and children's rights to appeal to the centre ground but he doesn't, he still wants the same self ID just with a veneer of lies to hide that it will be the same.