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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Sinèad Watson was detained for tweeting

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Imnobody4 · 06/06/2024 22:02

Just seen this by Sinèad's lawyer. Don't know anymore than this, sounds par for the course unfortunately.

https://twitter.com/AlexandrTheOkay/status/1798811587802783918?t=vEKv8-1P1B256A_S1DcPGg&s=19

Someone at @PSOSGreaterGlas needs to answer for the absurd, inhumane protocols you have set up. You need a complete policy revamp and whoever came up with your current procedures needs to be fired.

Sinèad Watson was detained for tweeting, for speech. For typing characters into a text box. Her phone was taken. She was arrested. She was handcuffed. She was put in a dirty cell. She was not given feminine products and made to sit in her own menstrual blood for 3 hours.

For what? She is under suspicion of "malicious communication online." Not a violent crime. Not a crime that has anything to do with the content of her cell phone. All of Sinead's purportedly illegal tweets are/were public at the time of her arrest. There is NOTHING on her cell phone that has anything to do with them. This is a violation of her privacy to embark on a fishing expedition for unrelated evidence.

Put aside the obvious free speech violation, because I get that not every country feels the same way (but it is a violation of her God-given rights to charge her with this absurd thought crime). Even IF you believe that tweets are illegal, the way she was handled and processed is completely unnecessary, unsafe, and dehumanizing.

Someone needs to lose their job. Sinèad is owed a massive public apology for what happened to her at a BARE minimum.

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ArabellaScott · 07/06/2024 12:19

mach2 · 07/06/2024 11:57

Amd maybe they should be given the space to do their job before we all jump to assumptions based on twitter.

They shouldn't have any sort of peace while enforcing a law that criminalises speech even in the privacy of the home and is a score settler's charter. It's a shit law and everyone who had anything to do with introducing it should get a daily bucket of shit in their social media and snail mail until they plead with Swinney to scrap the law.

To be fair to police, they raised issues wrt the HCA several times.

LakeTiticaca · 07/06/2024 12:24

It's a good job tha Police Scotland don't have any more pressing issues to deal with, like murders, rapes, drug addiction etc innit!!!

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 07/06/2024 12:34

ArabellaScott · 07/06/2024 12:19

To be fair to police, they raised issues wrt the HCA several times.

Maybe they did it to hasten repeal. Or at least some very serious amendment to make it workable.

GailBlancheViola · 07/06/2024 12:36

I doubt it @AmaryllisNightAndDay knowing how deeply embedded misogyny is in the police.

Datun · 07/06/2024 12:43

This isn't the first time women have been denied menstrual products, is it?

There should be absolutely no bloody excuse, whatsoever. The station should be fully stocked at all times.

It bloody awful that anyone should even be considering the possibility that it's done to make women uncomfortable, tho always with an air of plausible deniability, of course.

But I absolutely do think it's deliberate. Watching how women have been targeted under this ideology has done that.

ArabellaScott · 07/06/2024 12:53

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 07/06/2024 12:34

Maybe they did it to hasten repeal. Or at least some very serious amendment to make it workable.

Sinead's arrest? It seems that was under Mal Comms, not the HCA.

VinnieVanDog · 07/06/2024 12:55

I'm so sick of this complete abuse of power by police to try to shut women up.

ArabellaScott · 07/06/2024 12:58

Datun · 07/06/2024 12:43

This isn't the first time women have been denied menstrual products, is it?

There should be absolutely no bloody excuse, whatsoever. The station should be fully stocked at all times.

It bloody awful that anyone should even be considering the possibility that it's done to make women uncomfortable, tho always with an air of plausible deniability, of course.

But I absolutely do think it's deliberate. Watching how women have been targeted under this ideology has done that.

Given the smugness with which all the Scotgov bangs on about providing free sanitary protection, you'd think they'd be right on this.

'Scotland is the first country in the world to protect in law the right to access free period products for anyone who needs them.
Under the Period Products (Free Provision) (Scotland) Act 2021 (the Act) local authorities and education providers are legally required to make period products available free of charge, as and when they are required. Products must be easily obtained, in a way that respects people’s dignity, and a range of products must be made available.'

https://www.gov.scot/policies/poverty-and-social-justice/access-to-free-period-products/

Access to free period products

How the Scottish Government are making free period products available.

https://www.gov.scot/policies/poverty-and-social-justice/access-to-free-period-products

Christinapple · 07/06/2024 13:17

Is there any evidence for the allegations being made against the police on her twitter? Have the police seen what's being posted on there about them?

According to the Scotsman part of Marion Millar's charges were for "disclosing false information" about an officer. We don't know if SW's allegations are true or not but if not it could potentially be a crime.

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20231101130335/www.scotsman.com/news/crime/scots-woman-accused-of-sending-homophobic-and-transphobic-tweets-3365741" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://web.archive.org/web/20231101130335/www.scotsman.com/news/crime/scots-woman-accused-of-sending-homophobic-and-transphobic-tweets-3365741

Boiledbeetle · 07/06/2024 13:18

Anyone getting Felix vibes? We just don't know!!!!

Hugosmaid · 07/06/2024 13:22

Christinapple · 07/06/2024 13:17

Is there any evidence for the allegations being made against the police on her twitter? Have the police seen what's being posted on there about them?

According to the Scotsman part of Marion Millar's charges were for "disclosing false information" about an officer. We don't know if SW's allegations are true or not but if not it could potentially be a crime.

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20231101130335/www.scotsman.com/news/crime/scots-woman-accused-of-sending-homophobic-and-transphobic-tweets-3365741" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://web.archive.org/web/20231101130335/www.scotsman.com/news/crime/scots-woman-accused-of-sending-homophobic-and-transphobic-tweets-3365741

Why are you on a feminist board pretending to give a shit when you have a TERF blocker on your Twitter account?

We see you!

GoodAfternoonGoodEveningAndGoodnight · 07/06/2024 13:29

Hugosmaid · 07/06/2024 13:22

Why are you on a feminist board pretending to give a shit when you have a TERF blocker on your Twitter account?

We see you!

Ok, so it's a block list by the sounds of it?
If so, what's the big deal?
I don't use them, but lots of people do

VinnieVanDog · 07/06/2024 13:36

Christinapple · 07/06/2024 13:17

Is there any evidence for the allegations being made against the police on her twitter? Have the police seen what's being posted on there about them?

According to the Scotsman part of Marion Millar's charges were for "disclosing false information" about an officer. We don't know if SW's allegations are true or not but if not it could potentially be a crime.

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20231101130335/www.scotsman.com/news/crime/scots-woman-accused-of-sending-homophobic-and-transphobic-tweets-3365741" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://web.archive.org/web/20231101130335/www.scotsman.com/news/crime/scots-woman-accused-of-sending-homophobic-and-transphobic-tweets-3365741

Ooh, perhaps you'd better get in touch with the Scot Police and tell them? Unless you've done that already? This could be really serious!!

Helleofabore · 07/06/2024 13:42

What person who takes a balanced view of judging people based on their own interpretation of that person's actions uses a block list or at the very least posts someone else's content that uses a block list as being credible?

Maybe someone who resurrected a thread last night that MN then closed (which is highly unusual) but had posted what could only be a post supportive of someone who has been reported by investigative journalists as a sex offender, and who tries to sue anyone who refers to the conviction. And who uses the law to abuse women who they disagree with in particular. Maybe someone who doesn't do their own research but will assume the worst of women discussing such issues based on a prejudice that they hold that fits with using a block list.

Justnot · 07/06/2024 13:43

the terf blocker needs to fuck off and stop wasting our time (and their own)

yourhairiswinterfire · 07/06/2024 14:05

If this was a TRA or trans person detailing how they'd been degraded by the police, there'd be none of this obnoxious 'wut, shouldn't a lickle woman on her period get arrested' bollocks being spouted. Nor would they be accused of committing a crime for sharing their experience.

But because it's a woman who is marked red on some fucking creepy 'terf' watch list, she must be lying when she says the institutionally misogynistic police mistreated her.

Helleofabore · 07/06/2024 14:11

I find it remarkable that any poster who has ever posted that MN was an echo chamber or that posters "Stick to your echo chamber, you clearly sound more comfortable in it" would not see the significance of using a block list on social media.

RoyalCorgi · 07/06/2024 14:16

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YankSplaining · 07/06/2024 14:25

PrimalLass · 07/06/2024 10:30

I do wonder if it might have been more to do with what she's said about her ex.

I was actively following Sinèad Watson maybe two years ago, but my attention was diverted elsewhere. What’s going on with her and her ex? Is this the guy she was in a relationship with recently, or an ex from further back?

Christinapple · 07/06/2024 14:28

Hugosmaid · 07/06/2024 13:22

Why are you on a feminist board pretending to give a shit when you have a TERF blocker on your Twitter account?

We see you!

I don't use any block lists or manually block people just because they hold certain views. Anyone I block are either porn bots or people who cross the line by issuing threats that sort of thing.

Brefugee · 07/06/2024 14:30

GoodAfternoonGoodEveningAndGoodnight · 07/06/2024 01:21

So what did she tweet?
Sorry but this whole "she's a little woman on her period leave her alone" victim narrative leaves me a bit 🙄
So, what, me right now could tweet/incite what I like online?
Without any context this is what it comes across as.
You're not immune to inciting hate just because you're a woman.

inciting hate? like being photographed in front of signs that say "decapitate terfs" that type of hate?

Helleofabore · 07/06/2024 14:38

Christinapple · 07/06/2024 14:28

I don't use any block lists or manually block people just because they hold certain views. Anyone I block are either porn bots or people who cross the line by issuing threats that sort of thing.

Buy you post content from someone who does. Did you think for yourself before you posted it or just grabbed it because it was convenient and didn't think.... well hang on... why is that in red? Maybe this person doesn't have a balanced view on this type of content and has a prejudiced view. Mind you, considering you scolded posters last night on a thread about a reported sex offender that ended up getting the thread closed, maybe your own judgement is not to be considered as balanced here.

UtopiaPlanitia · 07/06/2024 14:44

Datun · 07/06/2024 12:43

This isn't the first time women have been denied menstrual products, is it?

There should be absolutely no bloody excuse, whatsoever. The station should be fully stocked at all times.

It bloody awful that anyone should even be considering the possibility that it's done to make women uncomfortable, tho always with an air of plausible deniability, of course.

But I absolutely do think it's deliberate. Watching how women have been targeted under this ideology has done that.

It’s definitely deliberate - it’s a form of humiliation. Making sure the process really is a punishment.

Given a young woman died in Ireland recently from tampon-related toxic shock syndrome, it’s also playing dangerous games with women’s health when police don’t allow them fresh menstrual products when needed.

Christinapple · 07/06/2024 14:49

@Brefugee, there are hateful "memes" doing the rounds on twitter including one what's presumably an offensive caricature of a trans woman who is being hanged with the caption "pronouns: was/been". There's definitely an increase of that sort of thing since it was bought by Elon Musk. Any opinion on that?

@Helleofabore, "reported sex offender", you mean the who had a sexual assault conviction in 1997 was it? Why is an almost 3-decades old sexual assault conviction still news today?

A week ago there was an article about a neo-Nazi who was arrested on CP charges (rather ironically, he protested drag queen story times claiming he cared about the children). Why don't I hear JK Rowling or people with gender critical views call out and condone this sort of thing if the main focus is the safety of women and children? Why continue to focus on trans people who have very historic convictions? Are crimes only important when they are committed by a trans person?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/member-neo-nazi-anti-drag-150506618.html

yourhairiswinterfire · 07/06/2024 14:54

inciting hate? like being photographed in front of signs that say "decapitate terfs" that type of hate?

No, silly billy!

Decapitate terf signs are fine.
'Kill JK Rowling' signs are not hate.
Tweeting your fantasy of kidnapping 3 women in a van is just satire.
A uni student tweeting photos posing with guns and listing the 'terfs' he's going to kill is all good, because the guns are just replicas. Probably.
Telling a crowd 'if you see a terf, punch her in the fucking face' through a megaphone is not inciting violence against women.
Spitting in a woman's face because she's trying to watch a feminist film is acceptable.
Punching a woman in the head because she attended a meeting is just peaceful protest.
There's no problem with a sex offender getting his erect knob out in front of women and girls in the Spa, and the women and kids just shouldn't look if they get upset that easily, and anyway they're probably lying because that would never happen.

No, it's a woman tweeting naughty swears like 'pussy ass cunt' and not being very nice about the police who left her to sit in blood for 3 hours that crosses the line and has them KO'd on the fainting couch.

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