Tommy Robinson and Let Women Speak

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I've only read about this on Twitter so there's a chance this is being taken out of context, but it looks like Let Women Speak were part of Tommy Robinson's rally in London this past weekend:

https://x.com/shularises/status/1797585248580186511

https://x.com/GappyTales/status/1797611080212205988

https://x.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1796931835823362392

This doesn't sit right with me at all. I've been to LWS events and thought I knew what they were about. I've argued against the guilt-by-association tactics that some activists use against LWS when male intruders have turned up to the events, like the neo-Nazis in Melbourne.

But here we see the opposite, LWS deliberately attending far-right fascist marches. This seems inexcusable to me.

Spot on 👏🏻

The intention of all these (so many!) ejaculations of outrage about KJK, or somebody who can be linked to her, breathing the same air as a Disapproved Person seems rather obviously to suppress the message.

Both Britain and Germany air-dropped leaflets into the other's country. I suppose this demonstrated alignment with the enemy's values 🤣

Well. Shame you don't feel the same about Emma Bunton.

Also, it would be nice of at least one person could acknowledge that an approach of "This never happens!" On this board might have caused people to provide the evidence of it happening. And the motivation is proving far right infiltration, not "denouncing women"

Giving leaflets to Tommy Robinson supporters isn't changing anyone's minds is it? The far right don't tend to be advocates of the LGBTQ+ movement.

It's more like preaching to the converted.

OK. So Aja holding a flag and saying she's proud of her country is just patriotic, not a far right racist. Why have you been saying otherwise on this thread?

I thought this was the whole point about two tier policing. That the Palestine supporters can hold marches with offensive chants about Israel and Jews, and the police leave them alone, but when people like TR hold a march they get arrested.

Happy to be corrected if I've got this wrong. What do you think two tier policing is?

Yes. And what has that got to do with this?

My issue is not you supporting far right domestic abuse victims. My issue is you supporting women at a far right protest, minimising the harm the likes of Tommy Robinson and his movement does to womem, refusing to acknowledge the concerns of other feminists and choosing instead to ridicule them and be unpleasant.

Like I said. It's a bit of a "scales dropping" moment. Palling up to your far right friends and sticking it to the SocFems is more important than womens sex based rights, obviously.

The thing that leaps out of this thread is Cassie’s hatred of the women and her absolute fury that they don’t fall in with her views, therefore they must be publicly vilified. Sickening really.

I think two tier policing is a myth that exists in the mind of far right racists and islamophobes. And a good excuse to stir up some division and contempt.

Also it is a known hallmark of fascism to undermine public institutions in favour of a "strong leader". So that's going on too.

I think anyone genuinely interested in policing might have looked into "policing by consent" in the UK and compared our police to those in other countries.

And that's all I'm saying about it. TR can fuck right off.

Palling up to your far right friends and sticking it to the SocFems is more important than womens sex based rights, obviously.

You are delusional. I don't have far right friends. I support women's right to attend legal marches and refuse to shun them for it.

Maybe go back and read the whole thread. I'm not typing it out again. I'm also not answering any more of your questions. It's tedious to constantly respond to straw men.

Why bring up the 'this never happens' thread? What's that got to do with TR and LWS? Who could possibly view that particular thread negatively?

Yes I’m not sure why it’s thought to be ok

Yes.
"Legal" doesn't mean acceptable though. Far right marches are not acceptable.

It's completely legal for a man to transition and spend all the family money on wanking clothes, hair and makeup. Yet most on this board recognise its not acceptable.

Tolerating the far right is a bad idea. Unfortunately the love of KJK and hate of "SocFems" seems to have clouded some peoples ability to recognise extremists when they see them.

Because its not what's happening 🙄

I'm drawing a parallel between what TRAs used to say about trans women sexual abusers, and what (some) GC feminists say about the influence of the far right on GC activism.

"It never happens!" They say

When presented with indications of it "It is a smear because the other side hate us! They are prejudiced bigots!" They say

When presented with concrete evidence "It's an unreasonable attack on our community! See how much they hate us! They are obsessed! That poor person has been hounded!"

TRA tactics from GC feminists. Very disappointing.

"Legal" doesn't mean acceptable though. Far right marches are not acceptable.
They are legally acceptable even though they may be morally distasteful

I've as much idea as to why they were there then as you have. Neither of us were there.

Unless I see something concrete to the contrary, which I haven't, I'm not going to act as judge and jury. Yes, it's made me go huh? But apart from them being in the vicinity of that arsehole TR, I've seen nothing else that says they support his detestable mindset. My hunch is that there is some kind of point being made by them to a group they've fallen out with. Reasonable speculation as to why they've been there really doesn't mean that we are all Hitlers.

You are endlessly posting about them being guilty of being in bad company and how you detest them for it. It does look like hate from the rhetoric you use and the many, many posts repeating the same.

If you weren't there, if you weren't in Dublin to see why some people nurse a grudge against them, if you haven't talked to them directly, if you are relying on what other people are telling you, then you are in danger of being used as someone else's shill.

You might be fine with that. I don't think it does you any favours to be seemingly used in this way. You've no first hand evidence of anything, just what you are being fed online and regurgitating here.

It's obvious to me Cassie that you have a desperate need for TR. If he didn't exist you'd have to invent him.

Posting their content here and what did you say about them being racist?

You're going to have to give me a bit more than some random name. I'm not a mind reader

Two tier policing can happen in many forms

If you've ever watched a LWS event you'll have seen two tier policing in action. Think of the shit the TRAs get away with and then compare to how quickly women have been arrested for stickering and tying ribbons.

The police embracing of identity politics had led to two tier policing, think how TRAs are treated and think how gender critical women are treated by the police.

How do you know? It might change someone's mind.it might be that final little thing that makes someone go I've had enough of this shit i don't agree with it any more. Or that Leaflet might make someone go and look further and be educated by what they find.

Tolerating the far right is a bad idea. Unfortunately the love of KJK and hate of "SocFems" seems to have clouded some peoples ability to recognise extremists when they see them.

This is all invented.

The group of women that have a vendetta against KJK regularly use this board, as now, to roll out their latest spat. OP dumped Ali Ceasay's tweets and didn't come back. Other likely group members have joined in. This is the usual way this plays out and has done for a few years now. Most of us have seen it repeatedly. I haven't seen anyone expressing hatred for them, I pity them more than anything because they are unable to control themselves even as they make themselves into fools.

We can recognise extremists. The fact that we aren't doing Ali Ceasay's bidding on this thread is because it's we don't want to do her bidding. We don't need to. The catastrophising about far right infiltration is her usual modus operandi and her daft friends. It's hard to take it seriously at all.

Whatever Aja's motivation for going is she's a far lovelier person that Ali Ceasay and her nest of wasps so at a personal level I'm not going to validate their nastiness towards anyone, and on a more strategic goal orientated level, the claims of corrupting everything are absolutely feeble and stupid and have been going on for a long time now. Its interesting watching how this does wind people up, and how much shouting into a vacuum they will do once they get going, and how the failure to get the rewards of a denouncing triggers such escalation.

Well now, nobody mentioned that there was a counterprotest going on. I suppose it doesn't fit the hate the dissident lesbians narrative.

According to Searchlight, https://www.searchlightmagazine.com/2024/06/tommy-spreads-his-anti-muslim-rot-at-westminster/
The fact that the counter protest, called by Stand Up To Racism and supported by many other groups and trade unions, some of which spoke in Whitehall, was unable to mobilise really significant numbers should be of concern.
There had been very strict conditions laid down by the police ahead of the march, dictating that any counter-protest had to be static. Barriers were in place, with police blocking anyone from entering Whitehall from Parliament Square or vice versa. Anyone entering Whitehall from Trafalgar Square had to pass through a police cordon and state if they were attending one of demonstrations – to be directed on the route to take depending on which demo.

I would be more convinced if those so against these women allegedly supporting some right wing group were equally condemnatory of people like Lloyd Russell-Mole sharing platforms with men convicted of heinous crimes.