Tommy Robinson and Let Women Speak

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I've only read about this on Twitter so there's a chance this is being taken out of context, but it looks like Let Women Speak were part of Tommy Robinson's rally in London this past weekend:

https://x.com/shularises/status/1797585248580186511

https://x.com/GappyTales/status/1797611080212205988

https://x.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1796931835823362392

This doesn't sit right with me at all. I've been to LWS events and thought I knew what they were about. I've argued against the guilt-by-association tactics that some activists use against LWS when male intruders have turned up to the events, like the neo-Nazis in Melbourne.

But here we see the opposite, LWS deliberately attending far-right fascist marches. This seems inexcusable to me.

But you surely know that standing with and standing next to are synonyms? So what do you mean standing with a racist?
How can anyone be sure that TR is a racist anyway? 🙄

Okay so let me get this clear - people go to the anti-Israel demos and, even though there have been many arrests and images of pro-terrorist and antisemitic signs, we should take their word that they are simply anti the war. Fair enough.

But when someone attends a march because they are concerned about two-tier policing or wish to reach a wide audience with their leaflets, the same grace is not extended, is that right? I'm now to call anyone who attends the pro-Palestine march terrorist sympathisers?

Journalists are observers not attenders. They are different. This is really disingenuous.
Look if you think it's ok to support Islamophobic, misogynistic thugs and claim to be a feminist fighting for the rights of all women at the same time just say so.
This board has become a total bin fire. The blinkered way some seem to think there's one issue for women to deal with and nothing else matters is corrupting everything. But don't worry while you're doing that the right wing of the current governing party will just merrily put up private members bills to remove our reproductive rights and over see maternity care with awful outcomes but it's all fine because Rishi 'knows what a woman is!'.
There's no actual debate to be had here.

Noone is taking their rights away.
Some women are exercising their own right to be disgusted by feminists standing with the far right, and standing with misogynists.

Where you there Cassie?
If so, why were YOU there?
(I thought you said you weren't)
If you weren't there surely then you are inventing what you are saying they did there?

You really do hate these women don't you?

You're not allowed to be proud of your country if you're English. It's OK if you're Scottish, Welsh, Irish, French, German, Spanish, American... But definitely not if you're English.

If you're English and say you're proud of your country, it means you're a far right racist.

Just like Keir Starmer.

https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1782679903382430179?lang=en

And you're welcome to feel that way.

I just don't feel that way.

Bugger pressed post instead of enter

I can not like something and think well i wouldn't do that, but unless I know all the details of what went on I'm not going to denounce women who so far have done a lot of good stuff. Aja and DJ Lippy had their reasons for doing what they did. I don't know what those reasons are.

Decades ago there used to be an old NF chant about there ain't no Black in the union jack.

Black person appears draped in flag in 2024 at a right wing rally, says she is proud of her country, and is denounced being a racist.

Bonkers.

This is about far right not right-wing.

The fact you apparently can't see the difference is what taints your work for me

Of course I know the difference. What on earth makes you think that I don't?

Far right women are of course also just as prone to domestic abuse as any other woman.

The blinkered way some seem to think there's one issue for women to deal with and nothing else matters is corrupting everything

Please itemise "everything" that is corrupted. I imagine it's going to be a long list as it's everything.

We have had years of catastrophising from the Brighton lefties, and all I've actually seen happen is the looney left MP bumped off the list thank goodness, so I'm curious as to where "everything corrupted* is hiding for the past seven years?

Where is it and what is it? We want to see a list of all the sex versus gender related issues corrupted by the far right please.

Employment tribunals, public sector SEEN groups, Sex Matters, can you list the ones corrupted by the far right.

Kemi Badenoch and the EHRC proposal to alter EQ2010 act biological sex? That must be part of "everything" and "corrupted" so do tell.

There is an interesting and respectful discussion to be had about whether British nationalism, fascism even, is evolving as Britain has become more multicultural to encompass their previous targets and find new scapegoats, new others.

Sadly, this is not that thread.

I'm now imaging Cassie saying to a trans widow "Oh I used to know of somebody who could help you, but she thinks women have the right to go to legal marches, so I can't tell you any more about her group unfortunately"

Also, until last week I thought TR was a racist thug. I then listened to his speech to the Oxford Union and watched his documentary and realised I'd been totally wrong. Watch them before you condemn him.

He IS a racist thug, AND a woman beater.

Absolute scum of the Earth, that one.

But don't worry while you're doing that the right wing of the current governing party will just merrily put up private members bills

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You can stop hyperventilating about abortion being cancelled this summer as a result of Aja handing out leaflets last weekend at a policing rally.

Depends how you show that pride.

If it's by amassing a bunch of nationalists to listen to the likes of Robinson, Farage & Fox spout hatred then it's a big no thanks from me.

They actually make me ashamed to be English.

Some of these pure types don't seem to understand the administrative and constitutional workings of their own country. It makes them look right eejits when they bang on about private members bills this side of an election.

As Tony Hancock said. Does Magna Carta mean nothing to you? Did she die in vain?

Why give them that much headspace that they influence you to that extent?

But you must have already listened to them to know what it is they say?

Which makes you fascist adjacent and to be cancelled, right?

No list yet? Of everything corrupted?

I will be back after dinner for it @GrammarTeacher

Oh goody a bit more false equivalence 🙄
The only people bringing up Gaza marches is you.

The only people bringing up Gaza marches is you.

Yes I know I was the one to bring it up, I remember writing the post and everything.

I'm interested to hear what makes it a false equivalence, in your eyes.

I wasn't there. Obviously.
There are photos and links to what these two feminists did there. If they don't want people to interpret things wrongly, they could always clarify.
I don't "hate these women". I don't know them. I hate the far right. And I'm very disappointed that a woman I previously respected (DJ Lippy) stands with TR.

There was just a piece on the radio about SM abuse. Women get it worse, black and ethnic minority especially

Made me think of this thread

Mainly the fact TR is a convicted violent far right extremist and the organisers of the Gaza aren't.

No. Tommy Robinson is a far right racist and people sympathetic to his far right brand of ultra nationalism are racists.

People who fly British flags are not.

It's really not a hard distinction to make.