Tommy Robinson and Let Women Speak

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I've only read about this on Twitter so there's a chance this is being taken out of context, but it looks like Let Women Speak were part of Tommy Robinson's rally in London this past weekend:

https://x.com/shularises/status/1797585248580186511

https://x.com/GappyTales/status/1797611080212205988

https://x.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1796931835823362392

This doesn't sit right with me at all. I've been to LWS events and thought I knew what they were about. I've argued against the guilt-by-association tactics that some activists use against LWS when male intruders have turned up to the events, like the neo-Nazis in Melbourne.

But here we see the opposite, LWS deliberately attending far-right fascist marches. This seems inexcusable to me.

I fight for women.

I don't have to like them.

I don't have to agree with them.

I can find some of their views abhorrent.

BUT I will still fight for the rights of ALL women.

Even the ones who don't want me to.

That's my red line.

You clearly can't even describe what you mean by right wing in the first instance, you've been asked enough times.

I worked in construction for most of my working life.

I might be able to name 10 left wingers to be honest, in the whole of nearly 40 years of working. 30 years of those were either on site or working with the management. Many were openly racist.

I used to teach teenage boys, and many of them were racist. I worked on the worst ones and had many ways of chipping away at their conceptions to move their position to be less racist.

In the real world, you have to work with whoever you come across, to get the job done. I'm not surprised at the attitude shown on here to be honest, with the unwillingless to see that not everyone is like them, and that people with different ideas are still citizens who are allowed their opinion.

But you mean working with to be what exactly?

Is a right wing party allowed to post election leaflets in a left wing area or is a left wing party allowed to post election leaflets in a right wing area for example? What would this achieve? if it achieves one out of 100 coming over to the other side then the leafleting has been a success, but I guess you'd say that in both situations, the leafleting should not be allowed, for completely different reasons. The right wing party should not be allowed to post their filth into people's houses and the left wing party should not taint their message by going near their houses as we don't want to negotiate with the enemy?

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Do you even understand what far right extremism is and why its dangerous?

It sounds like you don't. I suggest you do some reading.

https://www.un.org/securitycouncil/ctc/news/secretary-general%E2%80%99s-new-report-highlights-new-emerging-form-%E2%80%9Cfar-right%E2%80%9D-terrorism

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57829261.amp

https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/extreme-right-wing-terrorism-uk-how-concerned-should-we-be

Same.

I just don't see marching for a misogynist and recruiting his followers to my feminism as a particularly effective strategy.

Pointing out women doing those things is not incompatible with anything you said.

Oh and by the way I hope I see you posting stuff like this on threads throwing shade on women for their choices, like the Emma Bunton, Emma Corrin or Janice Turner threads.

Or maybe standing up for left-wing MPs you don't like, when people pist misogynistic things, like Jess Phillips, Stella Creasey or Angela Rayner.

Otherwise it looks a bit like right wing virtue signalling.

What do you mean by work with?

I don’t know these people, no support, nothing

I post on mn about this topic as I think gender ideology is harmful to women and children

I have no responsibility or connection to what other people decide to do. Why would I?

Stand with. I would never stand with a racist. If you go on a march with TR that is exactly what you do.

That would not involve standing with TR who has been violent towards women.

Come on, answer the question.

What do you actually mean 'working with'?

I guarantee you've stood with a racist, for example at a road crossing, or in a supermarket.

"I just don't see marching for a misogynist and recruiting his followers to my feminism as a particularly effective strategy."

Is that really what you think has happened here?

Are you really not able to come up with any more possibilities than this shallow interpretation? Or even recognise that there might be other explanations?

There are a lot of disingenuous people on this thread. Stand with TR, I don't care. I disagree with you on GC issues anyway. Standing with TR and saying you're a feminist is just as bizarre as supporting Trump and saying you're a feminist. Women are free to think whatever they want of course but in general feminists don't support men who are violent against women.

Attending =/= support

Now you're being ridiculous! Of course I didn't mean standing next to! But going on a protest with racists that is organised by a known racist is standing in support of that person.
As it happens TR has not been unfairly treated by the police. If anything he should have had more trouble with the law (incitement to racist hatred and religious hatred are crimes after all).

WTF would you attend a TR protest if you don't support him!

Have you got a copy of the promotional material that was used to tell people about this event?

Do you think all the journalists who reported on the event support him?

I'd hazard a guess that people might agree with the purpose/aims even if they find the organiser abhorrent.

Well said - 💯 agree 👏

Did the journalists present their reports wrapped in flags and going on about being proud of their country?
If they did, yes I'd think they supported him.

Most journalists include his reputation and criminal record when they cover him. I see precisely no evidence of Aja or Lippy doing that, or many of the posters on this thread.

Therefore I think this is a false equivalence strawman designed to confuse and deflect from far right infiltration of GC feminism.

Hang on, what is wrong with being proud of your country?

Yes. And then they just marched along with the islamophobic chanting because they can only hear about policing from a far right thug 🙄

Get real. Again.

Did they do that?

Or are you extrapolating?

As I said upthread. There is nothing wrong with being proud of your country. Wearing flags and being vocal about your country at a TR march showing supporting Tommy Robinson. They aren't the same thing.

Same as there is a difference between supporting the idea of Making America Great Again and wearing a MAGA hat at a Trump rally.

I just don't see marching for a misogynist and recruiting his followers to my feminism as a particularly effective strategy.

well it wouldn't be my first choice of how to spend a weekend, but the women that agree with those men, or who follow those men, or can't escape those men deserve the same rights as I do. Why can't I or others attempt to share information with them in the hope that one of two might be enlightened? Why can't I or other women spend time with those women, listen to what they actually have to say as individuals rather than what TR is known for? Without being called a far right fascist racist?

Pointing out women doing those things is not incompatible with anything you said.

How can you fight for and alongside women you won't even be in the same street/room as because you believe their views to be so abhorrent?

Oh and by the way I hope I see you posting stuff like this on threads throwing shade on women for their choices, like the Emma Bunton, Emma Corrin or Janice Turner threads.

??? I don't know what threads you mean.

Or maybe standing up for left-wing MPs you don't like, when people post misogynistic things, like Jess Phillips, Stella Creasey or Angela Rayner.

I'm a paid up member of the Labour party and as such I am entitled to disagree with them when they are making things more difficult for women, especially Stella and her men can have penises moment.

Otherwise it looks a bit like right wing virtue signalling.

Like I give a shiny shit!