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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
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CrochetBug · 04/06/2024 11:41

DrSpartacular · 03/06/2024 13:00

It's crochet.

The creator should complain about this egregious mis-crafting.

Agreed.

Off to read the rest of the thread now.

SinnerBoy · 04/06/2024 11:57

Are you sure it's crochet? Not semibreve, or minim?

Rightsraptor · 04/06/2024 12:14

Releasing the essence from the crude sounds exactly like an industrial process.

Are they planning to melt us women down in a crucible in order to capture and use our 'essence'?

FlirtsWithRhinos · 04/06/2024 12:21

Rightsraptor · 04/06/2024 12:14

Releasing the essence from the crude sounds exactly like an industrial process.

Are they planning to melt us women down in a crucible in order to capture and use our 'essence'?

You just know there are some people out there thinking "well obviously not, but still...." and running off to write some really bad trans wish fulfillment sci fi

iamreallyabee · 04/06/2024 12:23

lol

SinnerBoy · 04/06/2024 12:30

Rightsraptor · Today 12:14

Releasing the essence from the crude sounds exactly like an industrial process. Are they planning to melt us women down in a crucible in order to capture and use our 'essence'?

For God's sake! Don't feed them any more crazy ideas!

PorcelinaV · 04/06/2024 12:56

I actually think if someone was in the right position then feeding them crazy ideas would be great. Like Sokal hoax them.

If NGOs and political parties are willing to go along with "TWAW" then it would be great to see how far you could take the ideology and still have people parrot the material with a straight face.

How these ideas really get disseminated through NGOs and sympathetic parts of the media I don't claim to understand; but I suspect they are conformist enough to be hoaxed in theory.

HidingBehindTheWallpaper · 04/06/2024 13:15

I was watching a thing about Rwanda last night. How the men were murdered and the women repeatedly raped. I can’t imagine many people were asking about anyone’s essence.

People (and by people I mean men) always know the difference between men and women when it comes to child raising or rape or cleaning or other shit women are expected to do.

JanesLittleGirl · 04/06/2024 13:42

Rightsraptor · 04/06/2024 12:14

Releasing the essence from the crude sounds exactly like an industrial process.

Are they planning to melt us women down in a crucible in order to capture and use our 'essence'?

I believe that the technical term for this is fractional distillation.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 04/06/2024 14:08

A fictional distillation of womanhood.

Tbf that does pretty much describe the genderist idea of a woman. Ignore the body and just take the social outline laid upon it.

Maddy70 · 04/06/2024 14:21

They aren't allowed to be political

Fair enough

FlirtsWithRhinos · 04/06/2024 14:46

Maddy70 · 04/06/2024 14:21

They aren't allowed to be political

Fair enough

Superficially fair enough, but the definition of "political" is problematic.

Adult Human Female is not on the face of it political, but it is if you know the context that many groups do not believe Adult Human Females should be respected as a legitimate social, political and legal group.

The Pride or Trans flags could be said to be simply celebrating people, but are also flags of political movements under which activists lobby for legal changes and at times perform direct actions.

Replacing the AHF topper with the trans topper was a political act, does that mean the trans topper should now be removed?

Hell, even knitting fox ears for a Postbox could be political in a town that was divided on hunting.

So the decision of whether something is "political" or not, and who has the power to define that, is not neutral and can be used to bad effect.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 04/06/2024 14:49

Also, "allowed'? By who?

I'm not an expert at all but I always assumed this was a grassroots thing, no one asks permission and it's tolerated/welcomed by the royal mail as a bit of fun.

You make it sound like there's some sort of selection committee!

Helleofabore · 04/06/2024 15:01

"I think the major inequity women face is that having children affects our incomes unfairly compared to men, and transwomen aren't having this problem but I suspect they are also a group that suffers the same result."

How can this be true? How can a male person who has never experienced the discrimination that female people face from birth, who has never been not hired because they are of an age to get pregnant, who has been looked over because they have child care needs because they are breastfeeding?

How can a male person 'suffer the same result'? Or does the poster who posted this honestly believe that male people pass so well that those interviewing will not notice?

In fact, much of the very opposite occurs too. Male people with trans identities getting opportunities ahead of female people. Celebrated as 'women of the month / year'. Male people don't have menstrual issues or pregnancy issues to deal with, they don't need sick days off for menstrual health or morning sickness, or have to have breaks due to maternity leave so that the child can be breast fed.

They can have nice linear careers. They can even keep their name and dodge that negative sexist discrimination that is well and truly still out there where a male CV will be preferred. As per the Veterinarian experiment a few years ago that was reported on the BBC.

They have their very own unique issues, but they are not 'suffering the same result'.

Fukuraptor · 04/06/2024 15:24

iamreallyabee · 03/06/2024 21:58

Yes it was only for the context where women are often left with the babies and end up doing that as they run around out at work

sexism is shared experience in all of us, and I know a transperson just isn't going to grow up and live that in the way we do, but I do think it's a spectrum and there is a point within that where I feel women are fighting against being told you can't do that you're a woman, when sometimes it's true, but there's a fight because the woman is conditioned to believe they and men are equal and the same. Just a really basic example I can't set up a tv, I can't learn programming, I can't open up my PC and fix my pulled wire, and it's because I'm a woman

Sorry if I'm just rambling off, I've took a sleeping tablet and I think it's kicking in lol

What you are describing is your interests and personality.

Otherwise you'd be suggesting all female programmers, and IT geeks are somehow really men.

I get technology and can code. I have no interest in makeup, fashion, etc. Does that mean I'm somehow a man? - I have grown, birthed and breastfed two children though. My body is female.

I think what you are trying to say is that you have a stereotypically feminine personality and mine is more stereotypically masculine. I think it's okay to notice that. But in doing so we need to acknowledge that stereotypes are generalised things that don't apply perfectly to individuals (I have a mixture of interests, like most people) and they change over time (coding was originally thought to be adjacent to secretarial, and so women's work) and adherence to them is not fixed.

It makes much more sense to base woman and man on sex which is objective and fixed from conception, rather on how well we follow stereotypes of masculinity or femininity which is changeable and subjective (and sexist).

DeanElderberry · 04/06/2024 15:57

Any woman who wants to can set up a tv, learn programming, open up her PC and fix a pulled wire (I have opened up my PC and removed dust that was clogging the fan).

Womanly essence doesn't ooze out and short electrical systems.

Grammarnut · 04/06/2024 16:05

testing987654321 · 03/06/2024 18:43

The fact that the words "woman: adult human female" count as 'political messaging' has got to be the craziest thing that's happened in my lifetime.

A definition of 50% of the population is considered divisive. How did we get here?

51%.

Grammarnut · 04/06/2024 16:06

SlovenlyOldSlut · 03/06/2024 18:53

So you’d have no objections to a topper that said “Transwomen are women”?

No. Free speech.

Runningupthecurtains · 04/06/2024 16:14

Womanly essence doesn't ooze out and short electrical systems.

They aren't penis operated either hands are just fine.

TWETMIRF · 04/06/2024 16:30

Runningupthecurtains · 04/06/2024 16:14

Womanly essence doesn't ooze out and short electrical systems.

They aren't penis operated either hands are just fine.

FFS, you mean I don't have to keep getting DH to whip his cock out every time something needs fixing in the house? I must admit it's bloody difficult trying to use a penis to hold a screwdriver

NoBinturongsHereMate · 04/06/2024 16:33

Theunbearablelightnessofbeing · 04/06/2024 08:46

Interesting how it is instantly assumed its removal is politically motivated/ preventing intolerance rather than just being nicked to sell.

The postbox toppers locally to me have been pinched a few times when connected to Royal events or war remembrance days and always people think it happened because people want to sell the toppers. Never ever suggested these are politically motivated which seems more likely. I mean what are you doing to do with a postbox topper? A bed for your cat? A toilet seat cover? An oversized beret?

It could well end up on eBay if there is in fact an underground market for postbox toppers.

Someone stealing it to sell is hardly likely to have replaced it with a trans flag.

MrsJackThornton · 04/06/2024 16:36

Maddy70 · 04/06/2024 14:21

They aren't allowed to be political

Fair enough

Allowed by who?

There isn't a selection committee with rules and criteria to follow

MrsJackThornton · 04/06/2024 16:38

You know when you hear labour councillors are complaining about crochet you would think it would be about the fact that most of the crochet clothes sold in high Street fashion are made in sweatshops or by modern slaves because there isn't a machine for it.

But no, it's postbox toppers. How throughly disappointing

Runningupthecurtains · 04/06/2024 16:41

TWETMIRF · 04/06/2024 16:30

FFS, you mean I don't have to keep getting DH to whip his cock out every time something needs fixing in the house? I must admit it's bloody difficult trying to use a penis to hold a screwdriver

I'm not sure if I would be impressed or horrified if a bloke used his dick connect a html lead to the TV!

viques · 04/06/2024 16:51

idkbroidk · 03/06/2024 15:58

Trans women are women. Trans men are men. :)

Not on planet Earth they aren’t.

biology trumps feelingz every time.