Sunak: I’ll change the Equality Act to protect women’s spaces

[Binglebong]

Sorry to dump and run but this needed sharing.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/02/rishi-suank-equality-act-protect-womens-spaces-tory/

Can you imagine if the Labour party came out with say, some cracking legislation for people living with disability, and you were beside yourself with glee because they fumbled the delivery and you aligned yourself with a different party?

What kind of an utter arsehole would that make you? And to be so shameless you would parade that glee in public?

I don't think KB did a bad job but, even if she had, the policy alone will push the debate into the glare of the media and more awareness is always a good thing.

So what? Why do you care? You are going to vote against it anyway

You prefer to give Labour mandate not to do it and have easier GRCs by GP - ‘specialist GP’ apparently

I don't dispute there is opposition, do you think that will go away post 4/7 should the Tories win?

Why is it relevant what a totally different party and Govt did in Scotland?

Lets look at the Tory response:

The last consultation in 2020 drew this response from Liz Truss "we are satisfied that the GRA strikes the right balance and we will not change it"

So you have no evidence, just your own thoughts. Which may or may not be just as likely as mine to be true.

Yet, you are here stating it as an absolute truth.

Further confirming that you are on this thread not discussing how this announcement can work, but merely to score political points. Political points at the expense of discussion that is useful.

I think that you are doing just what you have accused the Tories of doing. You have used this issue as a 'politically divisive "wedge" issue'. Good for you.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4937544-so-equality-act-updates-not-happening-in-this-parliament

Same. Truly, you don't know what you've got till it's gone

It’s bizarre. This change is for women. TRAs must love this hooting and blind tribalism

Jesus, Cassie, not everyone thinks like you.

Thinking I might be able to have a go at someone isn't what gets me out of bed in the morning.

The Scottish consultation drew submissions from across the UK. It is relevant as an indication that on this issue, consultations are not resource that you seem to want to make it into. That the process is open to being ignored to follow ideological lines within any party.

Yes. Let's look at the Tory response, it started the discussion. And we are still discussing it because while that consultation led to making it cheaper, Labour now want to make it easier. So Labour have already disregarded the 2020 consultation.

There isn't a change!
If she'd come out and said something concrete to protect women only spaces, I would eat my words. Happily. But she didn't. She said the same thing she's said since last year and confirmed legal sex will remain important and its up to private companies how to manage their spaces. Which let's face it, covers most of the "single sex spaces" women are going to want.

What do you want me to say? "Yay Kemi, some women have penises but it's fine because it's legally clear that's the case?"

Interesting interview on Sky with Advocacy: Sex Matters, spokesperson.

Arguing that the change to biological sex must happen within the Eq Act.

Compelling arguments & why it has been made an issue in this GE campaign i.e we don't normally matter but now they need our votes.

Yes.

And considering that self ID was 'consulted on' in 2020, Labour will do another because why? they didn't like the outcome of the last one? So they will disregard the 2020 consultation outcome? Or do we have one every 4 years from now?

So you were annoyed it wasn’t done before the GE but now it isn’t what you want and will vote against

A bit like wanting GRCs and repealing the GRA

You’re not making sense nor are you consistent

Can you post the link to where Emily Thornberry said about protecting biological women in single sex spaces please?

And can you post where Starmer has definitively used the words "that biological women's single sex spaces will be protected'?

I think some of us have missed this very big news and I want to adapt my thoughts on this issue please.

You too

You wanted it earlier but vote against it now

Conflicting position

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GE shouldn't really be "single issue" though of course anyone can vote on whatever they want.

Whilst the change may well be needed, there is also a whole raft of other policy areas i disagree with the Tories on.

So i look at each party as a whole.

Changing to biological sex, in itself changes nothing, the funding has to be made available, if councils continue to close loo's and DV's how does that help?

Most women who want to challenge these laws can see women on both sides of the divide who agree with them and who want the same. And they are supportive of them.

Likewise, it's impossible to miss those who aren't.

Women like Rosie and Kemi and many more have had a massively uphill struggle. These women must have the skin of a rhinoceros in order to put up with all the back room horse trading and backstabbing. Plus the misogyny they have to deal with.

And of course, the tribalism, which is, in my newly formed opinion, undealable with.

And it's interesting how this thread has tumbled on at a very smart pace.

Kemi has absolutely, undeniably, set the cat amongst the pigeons.

I can't wait to see how this plays out.

Yes it’s a good thread. Well done to KB for getting the conversation going

@Datun I agree. It's incredibly depressing.
I find the whole 'never kissed a Tory' hatred of anyone who supports the Conservatives a really nasty side to (some) on the left.

It wouldn't be so bad if that attitude only came from a few hard-core supporters but the deputy leader actually referred to Conservatives as scum FGS.

Has anyone on this thread denied that the timing of this was to win votes? I didn’t think I have seen that. Maybe someone and I missed it.

I'm voting against the Conservatives. Because they have presided over an increase in women and children in poverty, an increase in maternal death rates, an explosion of online misogyny and hate crimes, the effective decriminalisation of rape and an inability to stop dangerous domestic abusers killing their partners even when the police know about.

Kemi making it clear that legally some women have a penis but they aren't biologically women isn't enough for me to overlook all that. The added bonus of course is that is to all intents and purposes the same as Labour's position. Sunak won't even be able to make his 99.9% quip any more.

😂(sorry. I can't help it after all the months of getting pasted for saying Labour and the Tories were the same on this)

I wonder if the mumsnet manifesto and their 'we have 9 million unique female users', had anything to do with that!

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I know right. An unnamed Tory bringing the mail about her leg crossing was fine, but saying "scum" in response to some racism is just awful

As it has already been discussed, if the funding comes in and this law has not be clarified, how does that help female people either?

You are the only person here saying 'we should be doing more about funding and x'. Many of us could well be working on all issues locally while acknowledging that this move by the Tories opens up discussion that is much needed.

If you want to discuss funding, please go and start a thread.