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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

BBC at it again withholding fact ‘woman’ charged with murdering husband is trans

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Heylo · 02/06/2024 23:48

You know what to do Mumsnet. BBC apologised previously because of mass complaints about sick cat killer Scarlett Blake not being referred to as trans and just being referred to as she / woman in original article. They’re now at it again.

this person arrested for killing husband with samurai sword.

bbc article
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp00de3r3qro

daily mail article https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13480347/amp/Trans-woman-70-appears-court-accused-murdering-husband-samurai-sword.html

complain and let’s get a precedent set, these are not our crimes!

Andrew Rowland-Stuart, who died at his home on 27 May, smiling, wearing a grey t-shirt and grey waistcoat

Brighton: Woman, 70, in court over husband's death

Emergency services were called to a flat where the victim was pronounced dead, police say.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp00de3r3qro

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GCAcademic · 08/06/2024 22:52

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Spamming the threat now, I see, to detract for the fact that another “woman” killer is actually a man.

We see you.

ExpertInNothing · 08/06/2024 22:53

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FlirtsWithRhinos · 08/06/2024 22:54

ExpertInNothing · 08/06/2024 22:48

This obsession also triggers the nutty MRA types who then become as equally good obsessed about providing "evidence" of how awful women are.

Ooops, you are replying too fast for your brain to keep up - you've got that one the wrong way round! It is reporting men's crimes as crimes by "women" that risks giving MRAs false "evidence" that women are as bad as men.

It is impossible for real facts to provide the evidedence the MRAs want to find, because the reality is domestic violence, VAWG and sexual violence is commited much more frequently be men (male people) than women.

JellySaurus · 08/06/2024 22:54

ExpertInNothing · 08/06/2024 22:49

I think a better idea for a thread would be about how we can provide support to victims. This can include highlighting support services.

And what support Stevie's do you feel should be highlighted to female victims of male violence? Support services that centre males who 'need' access to women's services? Support services that require women to reframe their trauma in order not to upset males accessing women's support services? Or is that also an obsession with genitals?

CandyLeBonBon · 08/06/2024 22:54

ExpertInNothing · 08/06/2024 22:47

I think if people put more effort into supporting and helping victims than trying to profile the perps then we would be better off.

Maybe you should tell the FBI et al to stop profiling perps altogether. I mean how UNINCLUSIVE. How very dare crime agencies try to use visual, biological and social markers to identify and apprehend criminals? The very cheek of them.

ArabellaScott · 08/06/2024 22:55

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Why not start your own thread, pet?

You could put all these links on a thread that might be useful, instead of spamming and derailing this one.

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FlirtsWithRhinos · 08/06/2024 22:56

ExpertInNothing · 08/06/2024 22:49

I think a better idea for a thread would be about how we can provide support to victims. This can include highlighting support services.

That sounds great! Please start the thread rather than spamming this one, then you can give it a great title and make sure people find it.

I do already make regular donations but I'm sure others will appreciate your links.

Heylo · 08/06/2024 22:56

Wow, you have so spectacularly missed the point. Or more likely you’re a TRA trying to distract from the burning issue that these are #not our crimes

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DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 08/06/2024 22:56

Thank God for that and hats off to the BBC. Just leave it to the gutter press and leave the BBC out of it

what did Sky news or IT news say??? Did they call the murder a "woman" or not???

ARichtGoodDram · 08/06/2024 22:57

ExpertInNothing · 08/06/2024 22:47

I think if people put more effort into supporting and helping victims than trying to profile the perps then we would be better off.

Identifying patterns and putting preventions in place is the best way to help potential victims, since sadly there’s nothing that can be done to help or support Andrew Rowland-Stuart.

Not allowing this to be hidden in with female crimes is the only way to help.

RoseHedgehog · 08/06/2024 22:57

I have reported ExpertInNothing's posting in this thread as spam, as it seems they are a little fixated on this content - but seem to be using this fixation to attempt to drown out the flow of discussion through repetitive actions, rather than provide thoughtful insight or a condensed opinion in the typical style of forum posts.

ExpertInNothing · 08/06/2024 22:57

People often forget too that Trans people are strictly speaking proportionately more likely to be victims.

Winter2020 · 08/06/2024 22:57

ExpertInNothing · 08/06/2024 22:47

I think if people put more effort into supporting and helping victims than trying to profile the perps then we would be better off.

Bit hard to help the victim of this chap when they are dead.

ArabellaScott · 08/06/2024 22:58

ExpertInNothing · 08/06/2024 22:57

People often forget too that Trans people are strictly speaking proportionately more likely to be victims.

Bollocks they are.
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-how-many-trans-people-murdered-uk

'Figures from the ONS for 2008 to 2017 show that the average adult in England and Wales has a one-in-100,000 chance of being murdered in a given year.
The limited data we’re working with suggests that in the UK at least, a trans person is less likely to be murdered than the average person.'

FactCheck: how many trans people are murdered in the UK?

Let’s take a look at the statistics.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-how-many-trans-people-murdered-uk

ARichtGoodDram · 08/06/2024 22:59

ExpertInNothing · 08/06/2024 22:57

People often forget too that Trans people are strictly speaking proportionately more likely to be victims.

Another reason why it’s important that crimes and their perpetrators are recorded accurately surely…

CandyLeBonBon · 08/06/2024 22:59

ExpertInNothing · 08/06/2024 22:57

People often forget too that Trans people are strictly speaking proportionately more likely to be victims.

Stats please

GCAcademic · 08/06/2024 23:01

ExpertInNothing · 08/06/2024 22:57

People often forget too that Trans people are strictly speaking proportionately more likely to be victims.

Nope.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 08/06/2024 23:01

ExpertInNothing · 08/06/2024 22:57

People often forget too that Trans people are strictly speaking proportionately more likely to be victims.

If that is true it underlines even more why is so important to everyone that the risk factors for both abusers and victims are properly understood, even if that means being honest about trans gender identities.

Winter2020 · 08/06/2024 23:02

ExpertInNothing · 08/06/2024 22:57

People often forget too that Trans people are strictly speaking proportionately more likely to be victims.

They are vanishingly unlikely to be victims of (actual) women sexually assaulting or murdering them. So yes - again it's men that are much more likely to perpetrate assaults or murders and we need to know this for our personal risk assessments and targeting of our resources for victims and against crime.

Heylo · 08/06/2024 23:02

lol arabella Scott I adore reading your posts.

legit, you are a legend! X

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GCAcademic · 08/06/2024 23:04

ExpertInNothing · 08/06/2024 22:57

People often forget too that Trans people are strictly speaking proportionately more likely to be victims.

But surely we shouldn’t be noting their gender when we talk about violent crime? I mean, if we mustn’t speak about the sex or gender of a murderer, why would we note that of the victim? They’re a person who’s been the victim of assault, no need to note they are trans?