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BBC at it again withholding fact ‘woman’ charged with murdering husband is trans

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Heylo · 02/06/2024 23:48

You know what to do Mumsnet. BBC apologised previously because of mass complaints about sick cat killer Scarlett Blake not being referred to as trans and just being referred to as she / woman in original article. They’re now at it again.

this person arrested for killing husband with samurai sword.

bbc article
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp00de3r3qro

daily mail article https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13480347/amp/Trans-woman-70-appears-court-accused-murdering-husband-samurai-sword.html

complain and let’s get a precedent set, these are not our crimes!

Andrew Rowland-Stuart, who died at his home on 27 May, smiling, wearing a grey t-shirt and grey waistcoat

Brighton: Woman, 70, in court over husband's death

Emergency services were called to a flat where the victim was pronounced dead, police say.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp00de3r3qro

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Annanirvana · 10/06/2024 00:42

ExpertInNothing · 08/06/2024 22:31

I'm getting the vibe that any time a "woman" is in the news for a crime a small minority are trawling the Internet to see if they are really trans.

Likely staring a photos of Rose West and Myra Hindley trying to spot an Adams Apple.......

Damn straight we are, because #notourcrimes

AstonScrapingsNameChange · 10/06/2024 08:15

The sex of perp and victim is relevant because when it's reported incorrectly it's being used to obfuscate what actually happened and how we as a society need to deal with that.

Insisting that violent crimes committed by males were actually committed by females skews statistics.

This is then used as an argument against women only facilities because 'women are violent too'. Its used to obscure the fact that male violence is the problem and gender appears to be irrelevant to criminality. We see it on here frequently.

It's an inconvenient truth that is important for policymakers to consider that trans women are just as violent as men (hmm, why is that? ).

highame · 10/06/2024 08:48

Anyone know if BBC Verify have had a look at this? Just askin

lcakethereforeIam · 10/06/2024 09:02
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They have! In fact, here's exclusive footage of them looking 😃

WearyLady · 10/06/2024 09:17

😂😂😂
I complained to the BBC early last week and received a reply over the weekend. Apparently, it's being thoroughly investigated. This is what they said:

We wanted to let you know that we have referred your complaint to the relevant people and are still looking into it. We regret that it may take a little bit longer before we can reply. Please wait to hear from us before you contact us any further – we appreciate your patience.

To avoid getting a fob off answer about following their own reporting guidelines, I included in my complaint a suggestion that the guidelines need to be changed to prevent inaccurate reporting.

WearyLady · 10/06/2024 09:25

And it's worth noting that the BBC have been particularly persistent with this case. I read the original report on the BBC website on 2nd June and immediately complained. Two days later the same report appeared on the south-east TV news. Unlike the Scarlett Blake case - and despite there being a number of complaints - the report was broadcast with no corrections.

Chersfrozenface · 10/06/2024 09:31

WearyLady · 10/06/2024 09:25

And it's worth noting that the BBC have been particularly persistent with this case. I read the original report on the BBC website on 2nd June and immediately complained. Two days later the same report appeared on the south-east TV news. Unlike the Scarlett Blake case - and despite there being a number of complaints - the report was broadcast with no corrections.

I suspect the difference is that all the official sources, i e. a police press release AFAIK, say "woman".

Re. Scarlett Blake, the BBC started mentioning "transgender" when it became clear that records of the court case used the word.

Hiding behind other organisations' policies and actions.

Annanirvana · 10/06/2024 11:28

lcakethereforeIam · 10/06/2024 09:02

They have! In fact, here's exclusive footage of them looking 😃

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MarkWithaC · 10/06/2024 13:16

Have complained. This is unacceptable.

BaronMunchausen · 10/06/2024 20:32

ExpertInNothing · 08/06/2024 22:00

If you read an article about a poor human being murdered and your first thought is "i wonder how the killer identifies" then I think you need to reassess what kind of values you have.

For me it's not much better than people who want to know if a criminal is muslim or black before giving any sympathy to the victim.

Poor men. Another analogy might be people who wonder whether a white criminal in blackface is actually white?

(Though it would be very flawed, given that men are responsible for almost all violent crime, reported and unreported).

Mummy2024 · 10/06/2024 20:38

Heylo · 02/06/2024 23:48

You know what to do Mumsnet. BBC apologised previously because of mass complaints about sick cat killer Scarlett Blake not being referred to as trans and just being referred to as she / woman in original article. They’re now at it again.

this person arrested for killing husband with samurai sword.

bbc article
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp00de3r3qro

daily mail article https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13480347/amp/Trans-woman-70-appears-court-accused-murdering-husband-samurai-sword.html

complain and let’s get a precedent set, these are not our crimes!

"These are not our crimes" So does that mean when the teacher murdered her partner and then buried him. "They were our crimes" because she was a woman?

I'll thank you not to stereotype me into being a criminal because I also happen to be a woman! Thanks!

Secondly did the fact the perpetrator in this crime was transgender have anything to do with why they murdered their partner? No they murdered them because they are a bad person.

I can't bare all these men hating woman if I'm honest. You have some grandiose ideas that we are special were not were just the opposite sex get over it.

Mummy2024 · 10/06/2024 20:47

JellySaurus · 08/06/2024 23:22

TRAs often forget too that male people are strictly speaking proportionately more likely to be the perpetrators of violence.

"Strictly speaking" is that your get out of Jail card for gender discrimination? What did men ever do to you??? I so hope that men being attacked by these so called woman's rights groups take civil or legal action for discrimination soon. I'm appalled. Don't you see that in trying to attack transgender groups your also discriminating against men as a whole? And before anyone starts spouting on that I'm a man I'm not I'm just sick to death of woman thinking they can discriminate against all groups that arnt woman.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 10/06/2024 20:55

92% of murders are committed by men. I think it's reasonable to say any given murder of an adult is more likely to have been committed by a man than a woman.

Annanirvana · 10/06/2024 20:59

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HootyMcBooby · 10/06/2024 21:02

Spectacularly missing the point.

ArabellaScott · 10/06/2024 21:05

I can't bare all these men hating woman if I'm honest. You have some grandiose ideas that we are special were not were just the opposite sex get over it.

So, what brings you to the Feminism board, Mummy2024?

HootyMcBooby · 10/06/2024 21:05

Oh, and before you naively and ignorantly shout "what did men ever do to you?" please remember that you have no idea who you are talking to on this women's forum, and what many have been through at the hands of abusers and rapists.

99% of whom happen to be men.

NAMALT but the VAST majority who are convicted sexual or violent criminals, murderers, rapists and abusers ARE MEN.

Mummy2024 · 10/06/2024 21:54

ArabellaScott · 10/06/2024 21:05

I can't bare all these men hating woman if I'm honest. You have some grandiose ideas that we are special were not were just the opposite sex get over it.

So, what brings you to the Feminism board, Mummy2024?

It came up by accident, I don't stalk these boards believe me.... I'm all for equality not discrimination. I'll try to avoid it but unfortunately the name of the thread was enough for me to enter the thread. Then when I see not our crimes that absolutely infuriates me. How dare other woman equate woman's crimes to all woman. It blew me up in a big way.

Mummy2024 · 10/06/2024 21:55

HootyMcBooby · 10/06/2024 21:05

Oh, and before you naively and ignorantly shout "what did men ever do to you?" please remember that you have no idea who you are talking to on this women's forum, and what many have been through at the hands of abusers and rapists.

99% of whom happen to be men.

NAMALT but the VAST majority who are convicted sexual or violent criminals, murderers, rapists and abusers ARE MEN.

So that means we can label all men for individual perpetrators crimes does it?

It's OK to say they did it because they were men? How long until we're calling for segregation apartheid to protect "women" from men?

Mummy2024 · 10/06/2024 22:02

Mummy2024 · 10/06/2024 21:54

It came up by accident, I don't stalk these boards believe me.... I'm all for equality not discrimination. I'll try to avoid it but unfortunately the name of the thread was enough for me to enter the thread. Then when I see not our crimes that absolutely infuriates me. How dare other woman equate woman's crimes to all woman. It blew me up in a big way.

I don't intend to troll the feminist forums if that's what your worried about, but I do think people need to be more careful, when discussing trans issues there are some I can understand but when I see people start men bashing In general it gets my back up and i won't sit silently by. No one would be expected to with racism so why shouldn't we oppose gender discrimination and stereotyping when we see it?

HootyMcBooby · 10/06/2024 22:06

"How dare other woman equate woman's crimes to all woman. It blew me up in a big way."

That's not what it means at ALL.

Mummy2024 · 10/06/2024 22:08

HootyMcBooby · 10/06/2024 22:06

"How dare other woman equate woman's crimes to all woman. It blew me up in a big way."

That's not what it means at ALL.

Except that's exactly what they were saying... what do you think the word our means? They are stereotyping woman..... if you can't see that then you need to understand exactly what stereotyping is.

Mummy2024 · 10/06/2024 22:23

HootyMcBooby · 10/06/2024 21:02

Spectacularly missing the point.

Nope its you thats missing the point.... the saying "notourcrimes" is suggestive that crimes committed by woman are all woman's crimes.... equating individual perpetrators crimes as "men's crimes" is also discriminative. Inadvertently or not when applied objectively this slogan is discriminatory to both genders. I would think seriously of a new one.

Whilst it maybe true that statistically men commit more violent crime that doesn't give us as woman the right to label crimes "men's crimes" being a man doesn't automatically make you a violent person and that is what stereotyping is doing.