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AjayJones · 31/05/2024 09:46

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duc748 · 31/05/2024 11:40

Sorry, but it's not democracy for me. Referendums aren't democratic because governments only call them if they think they're going to get the answer they want. of course, sometimes, they get it wrong. Brexit was a massive self-inflicted wound to the UK economy.

AjayJones · 31/05/2024 11:43

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duc748 · 31/05/2024 11:47

OK

SinnerBoy · 31/05/2024 11:50

Sane countries specify supermajorities for referenda, not 50% + 1

Also, what many people fail to realise that the Brexit Referendum was a non-binding one, but the Tories decided to act on it, anyway.

Chersfrozenface · 31/05/2024 12:15

Also, what many people fail to realise that the Brexit Referendum was a non-binding one, but the Tories decided to act on it, anyway.

Although, TBF, after the Tories decided to act on it anyway they got voted into government.

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lcakethereforeIam · 31/05/2024 12:29

Eh! Brexit has been and done, I believe there were a lot of threads about it at the time. I actually don't have a problem with LRM campaigning at the time for a second vote, that seems a reasonable and democratic way to get a rethink. If he was also slurring leave voters as thick, racist, gammons, then that would be a bit much from an MP.

TomPinch · 02/06/2024 05:09

SinnerBoy · 31/05/2024 11:50

Sane countries specify supermajorities for referenda, not 50% + 1

Also, what many people fail to realise that the Brexit Referendum was a non-binding one, but the Tories decided to act on it, anyway.

Legally speaking, you're entirely correct but that doesn't escape the very point of the referendum which was a vote on that the UK as a whole wanted. Politically speaking, ignoring it would have been dangerous in the long run. Ultimately your objection has no force anyway because Parliament acted and Parliament is the expression of democracy in the UK.

In 1979 51% of people living in Scotland voted for their own parliament but they were denied it because the empowering Act required 40% of all those eligible to vote to vote in favour. That rankled for two decades in Scotland. Were the Scots just moaning?

I expect in the next decade there will be a border poll in Northern Ireland. If its residents vote by 50.0000001 to unite with the Republic will you say that's illegitimate?

I expect there will be another indyref in Scotland. What about that? Should there be a supermajority?

Back to LRM: I think it's a sad day when party apparatchiks can have such influence. His career as an MP is ended, at least for a parliamentary term and even he does not know what's alleged against him.

SinnerBoy · 02/06/2024 05:58

The agreement in Northern Ireland was met by both sides, with regard to unification. They agreed that it could be decided by 50% plus one vote.

The Brexit referendum should have been held again, as an official, binding vote, but it's water under the bridge now.

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