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EdithStourton · 29/05/2024 21:43

FOJN · 29/05/2024 20:54

It's why KJK chose his constituency to stand IMO. He's an awful man but I'm quite disappointed to be deprived of seeing him lose his shit with KJK during the election campaign. It would have been a very entertaining episode in Operation Let Them Speak.

I was so looking forward to a rerun of KJK vs Odious Man, with LRM rather than 'It's DOCTOR' Harrop in the hot seat.

I'd have added it to my list of YouTube links to watch when I need cheering up.

I used to be a nice, peaceable, largely non-vindictive type before this shit kicked off, but the sheer blinding quantity of misogyny on display these past few years has blown all my circuits.

Bloody odd timing though. Someone was sitting patiently on something for the moment of maximum damage.

JanesLittleGirl · 29/05/2024 21:54

10/10 to Labour for spiking KJK's guns. We were told that they had a plan. Seriously impressed.

EasternStandard · 29/05/2024 21:57

JanesLittleGirl · 29/05/2024 21:54

10/10 to Labour for spiking KJK's guns. We were told that they had a plan. Seriously impressed.

Do you think it was to do with KJK?

I feel like it’s more about purging the party generally

I suppose the question is if she were not standing would he still be out? I think likely

JanesLittleGirl · 29/05/2024 22:14

EasternStandard · 29/05/2024 21:57

Do you think it was to do with KJK?

I feel like it’s more about purging the party generally

I suppose the question is if she were not standing would he still be out? I think likely

Edited

Honestly, I was just taking the piss about a poster on the other thread that claimed that they had a plan.

CaveMum · 29/05/2024 22:19

Just saw this on the 10 o clock news and came to see if there was a thread. Couldn’t have happened to a nicer bloke, good riddance!

SofaThrow · 29/05/2024 22:22

JanesLittleGirl · 29/05/2024 21:54

10/10 to Labour for spiking KJK's guns. We were told that they had a plan. Seriously impressed.

Bloody hell we were as well...I wonder....

LoobiJee · 29/05/2024 22:28

SofaThrow · 29/05/2024 22:22

Bloody hell we were as well...I wonder....

Is the plan that Labour will be fielding a young female candidate instead? So that PoW will be up against a woman, not a man?

EasternStandard · 29/05/2024 22:34

JanesLittleGirl · 29/05/2024 22:14

Honestly, I was just taking the piss about a poster on the other thread that claimed that they had a plan.

Heh that was amusing but also a curious plan

Bobbotgegrinch · 29/05/2024 22:43

StripedPiggy · 29/05/2024 19:11

I’m certainly no fan of LRM, but this sets a very dangerous precedent for our democracy. A sitting MP has effectively been removed from the job to which he was democratically elected because of untested allegations which he denies. Whatever he is alleged to have done, he is entitled to due process and the presumption of innocence.

Anyone who supports his suspension should be very careful what they wish for. Malicious, politically motivated allegations can be made against your allies as well as your opponents.

While I agree with you on it setting a dangerous precedent that's ripe for abuse, technically he's not been removed from his job.

He's still an MP until Friday, when parliament is dissolved and we no longer have any MPs. At that point he's no longer the elected representative for that constituency, and has no job. As is the case for every current MP.

And he's still free to run for re-election if he wants to, just as an independent instead of the labour party candidate. He wouldn't win of course, mostly because independents almost never do, and also because he's an odious little twerp.

But yes, it is a potential way to cause utter chaos. Put an allegation in against the PM a few days before parliament dissolves and watch the shit hit the fan!

StainlessSteelMouse · 29/05/2024 23:06

Not a fan of LRM by any means. Quite apart from him being a massive misogynistic twat, I was always amused that the secretary of the Socialist Campaign Group was a buy-to-rent landlord.

But yeah, this looks very much timed for a purge of Corbynite MPs. Keir is more ruthless than he's given credit for, and some of his entourage are extremely nasty.

But I wonder how smart Keir is. Rochdale bit him on the arse because he thought he could solve Labour's antisemitism problem just by getting ride of Corbynites. It turned out to be a bigger problem than that. If Keir has convinced himself that bad behaviour in the PLP is restricted to his factional enemies, I've got a bridge to sell him.

LaPalmaLlama · 29/05/2024 23:12

I’m actually quite impressed. Didn’t think KS had the balls but he’s offed two in two days. Now’s the time to do it though.

I would put money on this allegation coming “ from within”

Theyhadsomehoneyandplentyofmoney · 29/05/2024 23:14

Feasibly, whatever ‘the excuse’ is - how about Starmers got rid of LRM now because the fight that would have exploded with KJK would have pushed the Labour think some women are men issue, and all it entails, into the broader media limelight?

That is the last thing starmer wants. Having more women in the UK actually understanding the consequences of labours position - would be catastrophic for him and the LP.

Fact is most women who’d vote Labour at this point in time, don’t realise that women and women’s safe spaces don’t exist for Labour, given that they include men.

LaPalmaLlama · 29/05/2024 23:20

Well also there’s basically no swing risk in the TWAW vote because they’re hardly going to vote Tory so alienating them has zero political ramifications- they’ll either abstain or vote LD or Labour. Given the swing predicted it doesn’t matter.

Feministwoman · 29/05/2024 23:26

But KJK can always now find another constituency to shed some sunlight on, now (unless it really is going to be EI parachuted in, in place of LRM!)

Helleofabore · 29/05/2024 23:29

Oh noes!!! I cannot imagine that women MPs who have been bullied by him in the past will be unhappy at all.

lcakethereforeIam · 29/05/2024 23:35

Well, I imagine Miriam and Rosie are gutted. I hope they reach out to him, like this 🖕

Wasn't Rosie put through a similar ordeal by the LP? Some nonsense about antisemitism. Perhaps she'll have a tip for him, a fingertip (see above).

Toseland · 29/05/2024 23:48

DialSquare · 29/05/2024 18:59

Hmmmmmm. Do you think it's because Labour know that he wouldn't be able hold his temper against KJK?

Absolutely this.
It's very odd though that it's taken 8 years - something very fishy is going on here.

FOJN · 29/05/2024 23:49

Feministwoman · 29/05/2024 23:26

But KJK can always now find another constituency to shed some sunlight on, now (unless it really is going to be EI parachuted in, in place of LRM!)

I think she selected his constituency because he's such a volatile character. It's headlines she's after to raise awareness of Labours position and highlight their contempt for women. He's such a misogynist he would have played his part perfectly.

Anyone reasonable won't be useful at all.

Exx · 29/05/2024 23:54

StainlessSteelMouse · 29/05/2024 23:06

Not a fan of LRM by any means. Quite apart from him being a massive misogynistic twat, I was always amused that the secretary of the Socialist Campaign Group was a buy-to-rent landlord.

But yeah, this looks very much timed for a purge of Corbynite MPs. Keir is more ruthless than he's given credit for, and some of his entourage are extremely nasty.

But I wonder how smart Keir is. Rochdale bit him on the arse because he thought he could solve Labour's antisemitism problem just by getting ride of Corbynites. It turned out to be a bigger problem than that. If Keir has convinced himself that bad behaviour in the PLP is restricted to his factional enemies, I've got a bridge to sell him.

Just happened to catch Faiza Shaheen on Newsnight earlier, virtually in tears because she's been dismissed as a Labour candidate. Is this due to Corbyn support as well, because the complaint against her used as a reason sounded flimsy? (I've not heard of her before.)

TheClogLady · 30/05/2024 00:29

Just having a poke around the internet to find out what was happening in Brighton Labour 8ish years ago…

This local news story is from one of the neighbouring Brighton CLPs

https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/15074382.labour-official-accused-of-anti-semitic-tweets/

and LRM has supposedly written in defence of Rebecca Massey so I’m going to assume they know each other

LRM has had to apologise for anti semitism in the past, and what with Diane Abbot being prevented from standing again as a Labour candidate & Corbyn potentially standing as an indie, I’m wondering if there is a push within Starmer’s camp to clean house of what’s left of that particular part of the Left?

The Chingford candidate has been closing the gap on Iain Duncan Smith for a while now, so not surprised she’s upset. It’s possible/probable that she’s being cleared out as part of the same clean up project?

Lloyd Russel Moyle suspended
SinnerBoy · 30/05/2024 02:06

BezMills · Yesterday 20:29

If he truly wishes to serve his community, he should stand as an independent.

If he truly wishes to serve his community, he should retire to Gruinard.

NefertitiV · 30/05/2024 02:14

JanesLittleGirl · 29/05/2024 21:54

10/10 to Labour for spiking KJK's guns. We were told that they had a plan. Seriously impressed.

KJK appears to be going with the story that she scared him off.

Let's have a look at this assertion: he's a seasoned, experienced politician of a major party, with solid funding. Even suspended from the Labour party, he can still stand as an Independent. He only requires funding to campaign in his own electorate, but she needs to support her own Party.

In election season, it's common for allegations of this type to surface.They do need to be investigated, even if turns out they are vexatious. What if they are not? Additionally, If they were not investigated, you would be equally outraged with Starmer if LRM won and then it emerged.

KJK hasn't scared anyone, but she may yet have her opportunity.

TomPinch · 30/05/2024 02:55

Well that's all very interesting. Russell-Moyle would have been certain to win.

But Brighton Kemptown has a strong Tory vote. A Tory held it until 2017. If Labour stand their own candidate and RM runs as an independent, splitting the left-wing vote, it's quite possible for the Tories to regain the seat.

JuneOsbourne · 30/05/2024 07:23

LRM won't run as an Independent. He's already said he will be looking at other ways to support the party once he's cleared his name. I assume he'll be looking for a senior spad role and then to be parachuted back in at the next by-election opportunity.

His views on women's rights are odious and we've seen really poor behaviour from him in parliament. But he's also done some great work in other areas, such as on the net zero select committee, so it's not as clear cut as saying he's just an all round terrible person.

I think the timing is very suspicious. It's one thing finding stuff out at the eleventh hour about a PPC, but LRM is a sitting MP.