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duc748 · 07/02/2025 21:30

From the Hollywood Reporter piece that MH links to:

Gascón may still attend awards season gatherings closer to home, such as the Goya Awards, Spain’s version of the Oscars, which will take place on Saturday. Some of her behavior is not seen to be as problematic in Europe as it is stateside

'Europe', in this context, clearly not including Terf Island! And considering that most of this lunacy started in the US, that's more than a bit of a cheek!

Wemaybebetterstrangers · 07/02/2025 21:45

duc748 · 07/02/2025 21:30

From the Hollywood Reporter piece that MH links to:

Gascón may still attend awards season gatherings closer to home, such as the Goya Awards, Spain’s version of the Oscars, which will take place on Saturday. Some of her behavior is not seen to be as problematic in Europe as it is stateside

'Europe', in this context, clearly not including Terf Island! And considering that most of this lunacy started in the US, that's more than a bit of a cheek!

To be fair a lot Americans seem to think that the UK (or ‘England’) ‘left Europe’ 👀 so…

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/02/2025 10:46

Here's what she says about "The Right Side of History" specifically:

On which, before we conclude, a note: I can’t stand that infantilising, hectoring phrase, which has spent the past decade being the laziest but most successful way to force someone to agree with you.

I wonder if this was inspired by her esteemed colleague at the Guardian, Owen Jones? It's a beloved phrase of his. I expect it's been aired in staff meetings before.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/02/2025 10:47

Sorry meant to quote @teawamutu re the Marina Hyde piece, which I agree is excellent.

Wemaybebetterstrangers · 08/02/2025 11:02

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/02/2025 10:46

Here's what she says about "The Right Side of History" specifically:

On which, before we conclude, a note: I can’t stand that infantilising, hectoring phrase, which has spent the past decade being the laziest but most successful way to force someone to agree with you.

I wonder if this was inspired by her esteemed colleague at the Guardian, Owen Jones? It's a beloved phrase of his. I expect it's been aired in staff meetings before.

Ha that’s exactly who I thought about Owen Jones, the weasly little shit.

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GrumpyPanda · 08/02/2025 12:20

Great stuff, thanks.

Was just looking at the accompanying articles linked to the Hyde piece, and one of them on the backlash against Gascon and the lack of due diligence/proper damage control has this gem:

"Another reason could be that the liberal-leaning Hollywood community assumed the views of a trans woman of Hispanic heritage would largely mirror their own. That they were wrong will have strengthened their kickback.

This is what happens, says one PR, when Oscar voters participate in “their annual performative patronage of marginalised communities. The frenzy around awards means there’s very little inquiry or self-reflection until it’s too late.”"

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2025/feb/07/karla-sofia-gascon-emilia-perez-pr-tactics-ethics

‘They chucked her under the bus – then reversed it back over her’: has the Emilia Pérez backlash gone too far?

Karla Sofía Gascón’s precipitous fall from Oscars frontrunner to industry pariah has left many in Hollywood rethinking their tactics – and questioning their ethics

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2025/feb/07/karla-sofia-gascon-emilia-perez-pr-tactics-ethics

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TheKeatingFive · 08/02/2025 12:29

The Hyde piece is excellent and she's one of the sharpest writers out there, but I won't forget that she didn't do anything for Hadley Freedman and Suzanne Moore when it mattered.

teawamutu · 08/02/2025 14:29

TheKeatingFive · 08/02/2025 12:29

The Hyde piece is excellent and she's one of the sharpest writers out there, but I won't forget that she didn't do anything for Hadley Freedman and Suzanne Moore when it mattered.

Sadly true. As a very closeted GC, workwise, I don't think I can condemn her though. And she's never been a Moran-style handmaiden that I'm aware of.

Chersfrozenface · 08/02/2025 14:35

teawamutu · 08/02/2025 14:29

Sadly true. As a very closeted GC, workwise, I don't think I can condemn her though. And she's never been a Moran-style handmaiden that I'm aware of.

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She could always have moved to another paper, as Hadley and Suzanne did.

She's a good enough writer to be welcomed with open arms, but she's stayed with the mess that is the Graun these days. So meh...

duc748 · 08/02/2025 15:07

I agree. She's sharp and funny, but she's stayed in the shitshow and kept her head down. Anyone taking the high moral ground now over KSG has got one hell of a cheek.

teawamutu · 08/02/2025 15:28

duc748 · 08/02/2025 15:07

I agree. She's sharp and funny, but she's stayed in the shitshow and kept her head down. Anyone taking the high moral ground now over KSG has got one hell of a cheek.

To be fair, she wasn't taking the high ground over KSG, so much as taking the piss out of everyone who lauded KSG as part of their Omnicause luxury beliefs, then backed away when it turned out that KSG committed wrongthink.

Perfectly ok to do that. Especially when your skewers are as sharp as Marina Hyde's.

FlowchartRequired · 08/02/2025 17:40

GrumpyPanda · 08/02/2025 12:20

Great stuff, thanks.

Was just looking at the accompanying articles linked to the Hyde piece, and one of them on the backlash against Gascon and the lack of due diligence/proper damage control has this gem:

"Another reason could be that the liberal-leaning Hollywood community assumed the views of a trans woman of Hispanic heritage would largely mirror their own. That they were wrong will have strengthened their kickback.

This is what happens, says one PR, when Oscar voters participate in “their annual performative patronage of marginalised communities. The frenzy around awards means there’s very little inquiry or self-reflection until it’s too late.”"

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2025/feb/07/karla-sofia-gascon-emilia-perez-pr-tactics-ethics

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If we look at this whole debacle, the root issue is that Gascon was not nominated - for the best actress Oscar - because Gascon performed an amazing role that demonstrated what an amazing 'actress' they are. Gascon was not nominated due to talent or merit.

Gascon was nominated due to ticking boxes that are imprortant to the Oscars committee due to being OTRSOH. Who cares if the performance was good or if the 'actress' is female, look at all the boxes Gascon ticks! Of course, being OTRSOH is a long list of causes that make up the omnicause. This is the list of right-think that you need to comply with to maintain your place OTRSOH. So Gascon was found to be a wrong-thinker and this is a big problem because as I said earlier, it's not about talent or merit.

If the Oscars was about talent and merit in acting (and actually qualifying for the category, for example, by being the correct sex for that category) then it wouldn't matter if the actor/actress was a wrong-thinker, he/she would still deserve to be nominated.

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GrumpyPanda · 09/02/2025 10:21

Another award for EP, but it's for the film not the "actress." Voting closed before news broke about the tweets.

And an El Pais journo says critics should separate between the artist and the work, giving KSG a chance at the Oscar's. Ummm.. does he really think the nomination was due to "her" acting skills?

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2025/feb/09/emilia-perez-movie-wins-goya-spain-film-prize-karla-sofia-gascon-furore

And the winner of the Cannes Best Actress award is....
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teawamutu · 09/02/2025 10:27

It's possible that he's making the "if" do a bit of heavy lifting, though: you could read it as precisely the point you were making. They didn't think KSG was the best actress but the best virtue signal. Now it's no longer virtuous.

I'm so enjoying this. Delicious.

Wemaybebetterstrangers · 09/02/2025 10:30

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FlirtsWithRhinos · 09/02/2025 12:03

I find it surprising that anyone is surprised a trans woman has simplistic, reductive and stereotyped views about different groups within society. KSG's identity literally rests on arrogantly assuming that despite being a person with a male body and a personality formed through a life of male experience, his external observations of women's lives are all that need be known to understand womanhood deeply enough to step into it, so why on earth would anyone think he would be any less reductive and arrogant about other people he knows little about?

duc748 · 09/02/2025 12:22

Fair point.

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FlowchartRequired · 14/02/2025 14:40

'“I think it’s really a bummer for the 100 incredibly talented people who made an amazing movie,” Bajaria said. “And if you look at the nominations, and all of this awards love that it’s received, I think it’s such a bummer that it distracted from that.'

'Amazing movie'. LOL. 😆

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DiaAssolellat · 16/02/2025 23:08

teawamutu · 07/02/2025 20:02

Wonderful, razor sharp as always column from Marina Hyde: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/feb/07/oscars-award-emilia-perez-progressive

She references TRSOH (as 'bollocks'), the left perpetuating polarisation, and buying your values as a package.

Is it me, or does she sound just like a FWRer?

Definitely sounds like it…

MrsSkylerWhite · 16/02/2025 23:15

GrandMarnierChocolate · 26/05/2024 21:46
His acceptance speech was all me me me and let's sock it to the haters. Oh, and he forgot to mention the other women who won too (the prize was for an ensemble) - oops! Silly boy.

Confused here. Just watched the BAFTAs. He wasn’t there? His female co-star won best supporting actress.

Ingenieur · 16/02/2025 23:24

MrsSkylerWhite · 16/02/2025 23:15

GrandMarnierChocolate · 26/05/2024 21:46
His acceptance speech was all me me me and let's sock it to the haters. Oh, and he forgot to mention the other women who won too (the prize was for an ensemble) - oops! Silly boy.

Confused here. Just watched the BAFTAs. He wasn’t there? His female co-star won best supporting actress.

You're replying to a year-old post, which is probably the cause of the confusion.

MrsSkylerWhite · 17/02/2025 08:56

Ah, ok 😁

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GrumpyPanda · 17/02/2025 23:10

MrsSkylerWhite · 17/02/2025 08:56

Ah, ok 😁

That was about Cannes, where they gussied things up by awarding Best Actress to the whole ensemble albeit centered on Gascón.

Aa an aside, funnily enough there've been comments pointing out that Gascon's role is the one that ought to be listed as supporting given that he gets a lot iess screen time than his lawyer.

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