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And the winner of the Cannes Best Actress award is....

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GrumpyPanda · 26/05/2024 17:34

yes, you guessed it.

One of four, but the film's centered on his character and named for it, and he's the one who got handed the trophy.

https://www.billboard.com/culture/tv-film/cannes-2024-selena-gomez-emilia-perez-karla-sofia-gascon-best-actress-winners-1235693165

Selena Gomez Cannes Emilia Perez cast

Cannes 2024: ‘Emilia Pérez’ Ensemble, Including Selena Gomez, Wins Best Actress at Gala Ceremony

The female ensemble of 'Emilia Pérez' — Selena Gomez, Zoe Saldaña, Karla Sofía Gascón, Adriana Paz — received the best actress honor at Cannes 2024.

https://www.billboard.com/culture/tv-film/cannes-2024-selena-gomez-emilia-perez-karla-sofia-gascon-best-actress-winners-1235693165

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GrumpyPanda · 02/02/2025 12:26

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/02/2025 10:25

Blimey! This person just gets more and more interesting

Who and what was Gascon quote tweeting?

Just checked the Twitter handle visible in the screenshot but it must be gone as well. No surprise if it was nasty enough to cause offence back in 2019.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/02/2025 12:39

Cheers both.

Fruityful · 02/02/2025 16:22

7 pages already - have I missed the chance to start singing the Gaston song from Beauty and the Beast? "Oh, there's no girl in town half so manly...♫"

Fruityful · 02/02/2025 16:23

No edit button on MN! Because the surname is Gascon, see? Eh, people here are smart - they'll get it. :)

JoanCollinsDiva · 02/02/2025 16:27

PeppercornMill · 02/06/2024 23:45

Don't feel sorry for any of the actresses who lost out because they supported this mess.

I agree - so sad that they don't feel they can boycott this absolute bullshit.

GrumpyPanda · 02/02/2025 16:53

Fruityful · 02/02/2025 16:23

No edit button on MN! Because the surname is Gascon, see? Eh, people here are smart - they'll get it. :)

There is an edit button - it's good for ten minutes after posting, just click on the three dots in the top right corner of your post.

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GhostOrchid · 03/02/2025 10:44

I watched this the other night. It's not very good! I'm completely baffled by how it drew so much praise in Cannes and picked up so many BAFTA and Oscar nominations (the most Oscar noms ever! tying only with Gone With The Wind!), and have been enjoying all the fallout over the last few days. It's not just KSG's comments of course; there's wider backlash about its portrayal of Mexico, its sloppy attitude to the Spanish language and its treatment of transition. Critics who were early champions of the film seem to be walking it back.

The collision of genres seems to have struck critics as very bold and having a central trans character gives instant progressive points, although I didn't think it was particularly trans-positive. Manitas/Emilia Perez is quickly revealed to be a controlling, gaslighting, violent narcissist. The director seems interested in the possibilities of leaving an old self behind, but not in any trendy ideas about gender identity. The transition is presented as a fait accompli. We don't see any suffering or struggle (but are told it happened) and the transition is presented more as a disguise rather than some revealing of the true self. It's impossible to watch this film and not think of Mrs Doubtfire. It's basically Mrs Doubtfire with cartels and songs and a soap opera sensibility.

No idea if this backlash will affect Oscar voting, which hasn't started yet. I read somewhere (and apologies if it was here) that despite the massive number of nominations, it was only expected to win in about three categories -- supporting actress for Zoe Saldana, song (the songs are terrible), and (I think) editing. KSG wasn't seriously expected to win.

Saldana won the Best Supporting Actress at the London Critics Awards yesterday and gave an incredibly emotional speech there are clips online. It did really feel like the speech of someone who can see the reputation of the film tanking before her eyes and it seemed like she genuinely believed in it. I felt quite sorry for her. She didn't namecheck KSG.

I don't think there's any kind of conspiracy behind its popularity with the academies. They're as prone to group think as anyone else and maybe it was helped by appearing to offer some easy virtue signalling points -- although, again it doesn't feel like an especially woke film, but sometimes people vote for things without watching them. Whatever, it's blowing up in their faces now. It's very funny and I'm loving all the memes.

GhostOrchid · 03/02/2025 10:59

I don’t know why there’s strikethrough text above. There’s not supposed to be and it’s too late to edit.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/02/2025 13:08

It's probably that you did two dashes at the beginning and end of the text

like this


GhostOrchid · 03/02/2025 14:30

Ah, thanks. I did do that. Hopefully, still readable!

GrumpyPanda · 03/02/2025 14:42

Don't worry, we're all quite used to reading strikethrough although usually it conveys some sort of pun.

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GhostOrchid · 04/02/2025 17:37

Haha!

There was an interesting article in the Telegraph yesterday, which was mainly about KSG blowing themselves up on social media and in the freelance CNN interview. But it told me a couple of things I didn’t know.

That Netflix bought the film after it was a hit at Cannes, and Netflix campaign for awards really aggressively, putting about 200 people on the case.

KSG was only a middling TV actor, known only in Mexico, before Emilia Perez so likely unused to this level of fame and scrutiny. A more established star would have been better advised and supported.

Someone really dropped the ball in failing to do any due diligence.

GrumpyPanda · 05/02/2025 02:36

Follow-up Telegraph article. Netflix are now so mad at Karla they're no longer willing to cover flights or hotel costs from Spain to Lalaland.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/entertainment/movies/netflix-removes-karla-sofia-gascon-from-emilia-perez-oscars-campaign-following-offensive-tweets/news-story/a56310c374492e2c324aabf2749c4cd6

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WillIEverBeOk · 05/02/2025 02:55

He is a typical misogynist male chauvinist pig. But he is the holy grail and sacred caste that is trans. I still believe he'll win Best 'Actress'. Racism is ok if you're trans. Misogyny is ok if you're trans. Being a rapist is ok if you're trans. There is not one single crime a transwoman could do that would remove their hero status. Not one. He could literally rape a child now and still be a hero. He's....trans!! He'll win the award, sadly, mark my words. If anything, I bet the Academy voters will feel for him more now, and see him a victim of a witch hunt. And give him the sympathy vote because of it.

Datun · 05/02/2025 06:40

It's annoying that this person is now being challenged over their female Oscar nomination for their social media posts, and not because they're not a woman.

Szygy · 05/02/2025 08:25

Follow-up Telegraph article. Netflix are now so mad at Karla they're no longer willing to cover flights or hotel costs from Spain to Lalaland

I just misread that as 'from Spain to Lakeland' and momentarily got very confused wondering why the fragrant KSG might be needing supplies of soup-makers and maybe a 3-tier heated drier.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/02/2025 11:20

I still believe he'll win Best 'Actress'.

I think this is a not improbable outcome and the fallout would be interesting indeed.

TheKeatingFive · 05/02/2025 20:42

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/02/2025 11:20

I still believe he'll win Best 'Actress'.

I think this is a not improbable outcome and the fallout would be interesting indeed.

I have got to the stage where i hope he does. Let him peak the world.

Wemaybebetterstrangers · 05/02/2025 20:58

TheKeatingFive · 05/02/2025 20:42

I have got to the stage where i hope he does. Let him peak the world.

Agreed. Though I don’t think the world gives a shit. Or rather the ‘people’ who run the world (the ones who have dicks) don’t give a shit.

duc748 · 05/02/2025 22:38

Just had another look at the odds. When I looked before KSG was 13/2, now she's 7/1 best bet, 18/1 worst bet. So the bookies don't think it's too likely. Demi Moore is still odds-on.

Szygy · 05/02/2025 23:03

I've just been enjoying some of the reviews of the film on Letterboxd, which is a pretty good online movie site - a lot of thoughtful and well-informed film fans post there. The overall rating is 2.2 (love the .2) out of 5, and I applaud the impressive number of people awarding it half a mark. Words like 'train-wreck' and 'calamity' occur quite frequently.

duc748 · 05/02/2025 23:17

Made me look if the film is nominated for Best Picture (it is). But there's ten nominees now. Didn't it used to be four and something?

GhostOrchid · 06/02/2025 00:22

It was always five, like there is for most other categories. But they broadened it out a few years ago to try and recognise a more diverse range of films.

I think it’s a Conclave-Brutalist-Complete Unknown three-way fight, which is also the Best Actor fight.

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