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KJK is standing against Lloyd Russell-Mole in the General Election

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BoreOfWhabylon · 23/05/2024 14:20

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AdamRyan · 04/06/2024 17:11

Sloejelly · 04/06/2024 16:09

The Tories are only better on gender ideology than Labour, that doesn’t make them particularly good on it. There is so much they should already have done to protect women’s rights. It just shows how shocking Labour are that many are considering voting Tory to protect women’s rights as at least the Tories mostly can identify what a woman is. Labour will remove our language and data to even argue it.

What's the difference between a "legal woman" and a "biological woman"? Badenoch struggled with that yesterday. It looks like I might agree with KJK for once. Tories and Labour both as bad as each other.

Unfortunately not a cat in hells chance I'm voting for reform, sdp or PoW so I'll be voting on other criteria. Dealing with rapists effectively and taking women/children out of poverty are my priorities.

AdamRyan · 04/06/2024 17:14

KJK nails the Tories in that article.

Sloejelly · 04/06/2024 17:25

Dealing with rapists effectively and taking women/children out of poverty are my priorities.

How does that help you? Unless you mean by putting rapists in women’s jails?

AdamRyan · 04/06/2024 17:28

Sloejelly · 04/06/2024 17:25

Dealing with rapists effectively and taking women/children out of poverty are my priorities.

How does that help you? Unless you mean by putting rapists in women’s jails?

What do you mean how does that help me?

IwantToRetire · 04/06/2024 18:37

The biggest problem is that the media has turned politics into a reality show.

So all the time Boris was doing FA the media just indulged his antics.

In fact calling it "politics" is almost misleading, because if you look at polls about what votes want they are nearly all practical things.

The danger in voting to someone because s/he is good on tv, or makes fines speeches, doesn't help when they are then put in charge of institutions, and indeed how to get Acts through the HoC.

So praising Labour for doing well by the NHS is in fact a con.

The changes they made were enabled by allowing private money to help pay for it.

This means the NHS has been left in much the same state as developing countries. They are paying back so much interest that they cant actually develop.

So nobody really wants to talk about the problem, and MPs and the media collude in this endless drama based on grandstanding and appealing to prejudices.

Non of which give any indication that those asking for your vote could organise a piss up in a brewery (as my old mum used to say)!

IwantToRetire · 05/06/2024 01:03

Have just seen this as part of a longer article about how Starmer is using the selection process to get rid of candidates whose politics dont align with his.

Left-wing MP Lloyd Russell-Moyle was recently deselected as Brighton Kemptown’s candidate following a sexual harassment complaint lodged against him. The complaint apparently refers to an instance that took place seven years ago but was conveniently lodged just as the election was called, leaving no opportunity for investigation or appeal.
https://tribunemag.co.uk/2024/06/keirll-fix-it

Even though I despise the way the Labour Party central office behaves, I hope they haven't stooped as low as this article implies ie that it wasn't "conveniently" lodged but acted on by someone who for whatever reason hadn't felt able to come forward at the time.

But I do find it strange that the mainstream media has been so restrained in its reporting of all these manipulations. When it was Corbyn they were only too happy to create endless copy from leaks.

Keir’ll Fix It

In the coming weeks, expect to hear Keir Starmer’s mantra of ‘country first, party second’ on loop. But what the naked, overt corruption evident in Labour’s selection process shows is that in reality, it is faction first, second, and third.

https://tribunemag.co.uk/2024/06/keirll-fix-it

Needmoresleep · 05/06/2024 04:31

DialSquare · 29/05/2024 08:35

You're not allowed to criticise some posters on here as your post will be deleted for (I can only assume) being a personal attack).

Meanwhile a goady gif about burning money is allowed to stand.

You were right.

No MN email but two of my posts went.

As far as I know, my first deletions on this board.

The second, which your post was about, referenced my mother in law who irritates me almost as much as Adam. I blame her.

EdithStourton · 05/06/2024 08:00

EffieeBriest · 04/06/2024 12:54

@EdithStourton the thing is that New Labour did try to sort out the NHS. Satisfaction levels in the NHS were at their highest during Blair’s tenure. They implemented other policies that went down well too amongst women and young families. They at least tried.
I think it’s easy to write both parties off now and say they’re all the same. But they aren’t. I think if it’s a close thing and the tories win another term, there’s a real risk of public disorder. Feelings are running that high, so many people are suffering. And yes even if they sort out the gender ID mess, what then ? Further mismanagement of everything.

Yes, but they took us into Iraq.
They have ALL fucked up, big time, and I don't trust any of them.

ArabellaScott · 05/06/2024 08:06

Oh god, Iraq. Lucky all is calm in the Middle East at the moment, eh?

ArabellaScott · 05/06/2024 08:10

Sloejelly · 04/06/2024 16:09

The Tories are only better on gender ideology than Labour, that doesn’t make them particularly good on it. There is so much they should already have done to protect women’s rights. It just shows how shocking Labour are that many are considering voting Tory to protect women’s rights as at least the Tories mostly can identify what a woman is. Labour will remove our language and data to even argue it.

Exactly.

We have been on our knees begging for crumbs.

At some point we will need to stand up and make clear demands.

MyOleMan · 06/06/2024 07:35

It’s awful to see these deletions @Needmoresleep and @DialSquare How can I address certain people’s continuous bad behaviour on this board?

VinnieVanDog · 06/06/2024 09:47

Seems like clearly preferential treatment of certain posters to me @MyOleMan

ArabellaScott · 06/06/2024 09:50

You can email Mumsnet and raise an issue. Or report your own post and use the box to ask.

Helleofabore · 06/06/2024 10:04

The deletions are a tad weird at the moment. I was deleted for pointing out that a posting history did show that perhaps an accusation of a poster’s misogyny was apt. And deleted again when I made it a generalized comment on misogynistic behaviour seen on MN.

BezMills · 06/06/2024 10:13

There's a lot of Labour activism at the moment, seems like Mumsnet FWR is some kind of target demographic lol.

( Good luck with that lot, bloody nest of vipers, who actually pay attention to what the dear leader has been saying. )

NoWordForFluffy · 06/06/2024 10:15

Helleofabore · 06/06/2024 10:04

The deletions are a tad weird at the moment. I was deleted for pointing out that a posting history did show that perhaps an accusation of a poster’s misogyny was apt. And deleted again when I made it a generalized comment on misogynistic behaviour seen on MN.

Who the bloody hell is reporting those posts though? MNHQ don't go looking for stuff to delete, so somebody is making it their mission to report. 🤷‍♀️

I generally don't report, other than when I have a persistent problem with somebody alleging wild shit about me which isn't true, then I report as MNHQ has told me to, so I can illustrate a pattern of behaviour designed to cause me problems / get me banned.

BezMills · 06/06/2024 10:19

Everybody is their own 'Reporting Posts On Mumsnet Captain' so I'm not saying what other people should do. For me, if I see something that is horrible enough to bother reporting, I'll make a post pointing out why I'm reporting it at the same time. I'm not interested in reporting a post because it's stupid, or wrong, or disagreed with me, or quoted Keir Starmer's actual words and put them in a bad light (side eyes)

MyOleMan · 06/06/2024 10:24

Yes @VinnieVanDog preferential treatment of certain members as well as a group who seem to game the system. I’ve never reported a post. I don’t fancy going that direction but I might have to

Helleofabore · 06/06/2024 10:25

NoWordForFluffy · 06/06/2024 10:15

Who the bloody hell is reporting those posts though? MNHQ don't go looking for stuff to delete, so somebody is making it their mission to report. 🤷‍♀️

I generally don't report, other than when I have a persistent problem with somebody alleging wild shit about me which isn't true, then I report as MNHQ has told me to, so I can illustrate a pattern of behaviour designed to cause me problems / get me banned.

You might have noticed there has lately been some posters who have been very quick to claim they are not welcome here, that they are being bullied, that their opinions are not welcome (when it is actually more to do with their scolding behaviour not their opinions that posters react to) and that there are cliques and so on. Including some of the known name changers. You might find that some of those might be responsible for the reporting.

Boiledbeetle · 06/06/2024 10:26

BezMills · 06/06/2024 10:13

There's a lot of Labour activism at the moment, seems like Mumsnet FWR is some kind of target demographic lol.

( Good luck with that lot, bloody nest of vipers, who actually pay attention to what the dear leader has been saying. )

Nest of vipers did you say?

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Does what it says on the tin, with gerbils

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NoWordForFluffy · 06/06/2024 10:26

Helleofabore · 06/06/2024 10:25

You might have noticed there has lately been some posters who have been very quick to claim they are not welcome here, that they are being bullied, that their opinions are not welcome (when it is actually more to do with their scolding behaviour not their opinions that posters react to) and that there are cliques and so on. Including some of the known name changers. You might find that some of those might be responsible for the reporting.

Yes, I believe that is an issue and - weirdly - one of those is who MNHQ have told me to report to them!

Edited to say that the person in question recommended that people should start reporting posts in the way they'd started to, as it was something they found helps them cope with the posters on here. I took their sage advice.

Helleofabore · 06/06/2024 10:27

I report posts that are falling well out to the guidelines . Or were the PBP sock puppet who has now disappeared. They were easy to spot though.

Helleofabore · 06/06/2024 10:30

NoWordForFluffy · 06/06/2024 10:26

Yes, I believe that is an issue and - weirdly - one of those is who MNHQ have told me to report to them!

Edited to say that the person in question recommended that people should start reporting posts in the way they'd started to, as it was something they found helps them cope with the posters on here. I took their sage advice.

Edited

Blimey!!! Really? Someone said that in a thread? That they report posters that they don’t like?

NoWordForFluffy · 06/06/2024 10:51

Helleofabore · 06/06/2024 10:30

Blimey!!! Really? Someone said that in a thread? That they report posters that they don’t like?

Yep, said they'd decided to have a policy of reporting anything which upset them, or something like that.

The talk guidelines have a very vague 'not in the spirit of the site' included in them. So even if it's not a personal attack, or an obvious reason, it can come under that very broad, subjective, banner.

Helleofabore · 06/06/2024 10:55

NoWordForFluffy · 06/06/2024 10:51

Yep, said they'd decided to have a policy of reporting anything which upset them, or something like that.

The talk guidelines have a very vague 'not in the spirit of the site' included in them. So even if it's not a personal attack, or an obvious reason, it can come under that very broad, subjective, banner.

I wonder if it who I suspect. But no more or we will be deleted.

a joke of course. Don’t confirm or deny

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