KJK is standing against Lloyd Russell-Mole in the General Election

[BoreOfWhabylon]

https://www.youtube.com/live/vHudcvW0bSQ?si=kj-pX6z_ioL6l3nj

Yet another thread derail, but as before indicates that despite the attempt to make KJK appear irrelevant, right wing or whatever only emphasises that she is clear seen as a threat by Labour Party Hacks.

Long gone are the days when members of FWR could post thoughts, and possibilities, and get response that moved the discussion forward.

It really would be much simplier that those whose only purpose is to get us to vote Labour just posted once on each thread "vote labour".

Not forgetting that these ad nauseum (I hope I've spelt that incorrectly!) homilies exactly the opposite of the intention that supposedly they are meant to have.

As suggested on other threads one day the big reveal will be that Adam is a double agent. who sometimes ends up getting confused by which is right left or right right.

eg assuming I am right wing, when the reality is having gown up in a non partisan middle of the road vaguely political family, my position hasn't changed.

But thanks to the Reagan / Thatcher years and the Tory clone Tony Blair I find myself late in life what the right wing papers would call radical left.

My not voting Labour is because it is like voting Tory.

But luckily I am not party affiliated, but just regrate that FWR can no longer have wide ranging non partisan discussion because a very very few individuals dont want us to think for ourselves and seems to think they are entitled to tell us what to think, and instruct us what to do.

I'm amazed by it. They don't care; it doesn't matter to them. Yet we have threads of deflection built up. Our intelligence and credibility is attacked over and over. To me, they're creating the opposite impression to their intention.

@IwantToRetire

Yet another thread derail, but as before indicates that despite the attempt to make KJK appear irrelevant, right wing or whatever only emphasises that she is clear seen as a threat by Labour Party Hacks.

Long gone are the days when members of FWR could post thoughts, and possibilities, and get response that moved the discussion forward.

I thought the general idea was that she isn't a threat at all - she has no chance of winning any seats. Isn't the aim to just get 'sunlight' on the issues? That's what I've been told repeatedly, anyway.

And do you only want agreement in FWR? That's an echo chamber.

And do you only want agreement in FWR? That's an echo chamber.

Did you read what I wrote. I was asking for genuine discussion not endless hectoring on who we should vote for.

Discusion isn't an echo chamber.

It isn't hectoring to discuss electoral candidates. That's particularly important. What kind of discussion do you want?

It's the very opposite of an echo chamber here, there are a number of posters disagreeing with the general tenor of the conversation.

My two penn'orth is that Labour will not continue the short moratorium on puberty blockers. That they will, as Starmer promised, bring in de facto self ID; the waffle about safe spaces for women leads me to that conclusion.

Combined with his earlier statements, stating that some women have penises and that it's wrong to say otherwise etc is strong evidence for that. The safe spaces waffle and not answering questions about continuing the puberty blockers moratorium shows that he / they know it is contentious and a vote loser, so are staying silent, rather than being bold and setting out their actual intentions.

And the tories have stated their opinions, so starmer can be in no doubt

The Tories plan to change the Equality Act to make it clear that the protected characteristic of “sex” refers to biological sex and not the gender someone identifies with.

It means that even those who have a gender recognition certificate could be prevented from accessing single-sex spaces, even though the law sees them as the gender they identify with

https://digitaleditions.telegraph.co.uk/data/1704/reader/reader.html?social#!preferred/0/package/1704/pub/1704/page/2/article/NaN

"Safe Spaces" is something that they came up with in a brainstorming session to avoid saying single sex spaces, which would be transphobic and exclusionary etc

Safe spaces is a sleight of hand trick.

All Labour’s statements are

Ooh. Something happening which a certain poster assumed wouldn't? No more 'mulling' it would appear!

Labour will still respond with slippery words and no commitments. Safe fucking spaces, my arse.

To be honest you seem very confused about what is what.

Long gone are the days when members of FWR could post thoughts, and possibilities, and get response that moved the discussion forward.

I agree with you. It's a shame that the acceptable opinions on this board have dwindled.

Ah. So the "mulling" was in fact "stalling" so the Tories could use the change as a pledge in the GE. That seems particularly cynical.

It does change the flow

Good. At this point changing the EqA is the best option for women

I’d like to see the GRA repealed eventually but I’ll take unwinding to get rid of the harmful legislation

Not that Labour will do the above so we’re stuck with men with GRCs and GP Self ID

@RebelliousCow

To be honest you seem very confused about what is what.

I'm not sure how this insult to my intelligence relates to my quote "It isn't hectoring to discuss electoral candidates. That's particularly important. What kind of discussion do you want?"

Still not sure what you are talking about........your point is not clear.

It isn't hectoring to discuss electoral candidates

It is hectoring to have every point dumbed down to being told we must vote Labour.

Relentlessly.

TBH, the primary refrain I'm hearing on threads like this is 'vote Conservative' or spoil the ballot.

No it's not, not in the way you're making it out to be.

If any posts are saying about voting Tory, it's usually in a 'fucking hell, why am I being put in a position where I feel the Tories are the only party who get this issue?'

And spoiling your vote is entirely legitimate, even if you think it's not. It's often framed as 'I'm politically homeless because of this issue. I'm an ex Labour / LD / Green voter and certainly won't / can't vote Tory, which leaves me with very few options other than spoiling my vote'. Context is key.

I've been encouraging people to investigate independents, as there's been a rise in indies across locals recently, so hopefully there will be for the GE too.

Fair point fluffy

i do hear a lot of ‘I am going to spoil my ballot’ not a lot of ‘you should spoil your ballot’

I did one of those politics quiz and i am 91% labour…apparently (hold most of their views)

To be fair I would really encourage the OP to spoil their ballot.

People should decide on voting however they want. That’s democracy and on feminist principles it’s key to me each woman gets their vote, not feel they have to for someone else. That applies to everyone really.

I do think that once you give mandate for gender ideology that’s taken with thanks and it will be hard to change. I see Labour posters saying they’ll campaign after. I guess we’ll see if that’s effective.