KJK is standing against Lloyd Russell-Mole in the General Election

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https://www.youtube.com/live/vHudcvW0bSQ?si=kj-pX6z_ioL6l3nj

I beg your pardon @BoreOfWhabylon !

I thought I was on the binfire KJK and Trump up a tree, K I S S I N G thread!

I'm so sorry

It won’t be people spoiling their ballots, it will be people staying at home.

After 14 years plenty of Conservative voters have had enough. Some, to the right, will vote reform. Others to the centre, who might not mind Rishi, are underwhelmed by the campaign, the party infighting, and his lack of charisma, and unattracted by Labours campaign, the party infighting and Kier’s lack of charisma will stay at home.

Some Labour voters, worried about the fence sitting on this and other (Palestine) issues, will also stay at home.

So Labour will win, but both parties should be worried by the declining engagement.

If we see a low turnout, the big two need to look at what part they played.

I have on my table a flyer from the ADF, which seems to be some kind of BNP EDL successor. I think it's symptomatic of a malaise in UK politics, that so many people feel let down and unrepresented

No worries, @BezMills

People definitely are let down and unrepresented but this has been happening for a long time. New Labour promised huge changes which it didn't deliver, did some good things but also disastrous things which permanently damaged the country and people's trust in politicians, followed by years of abject Tory misrule. Apart from the post-war gov have the majority of people really ever been represented?

My family were always Labour - proud to be - but I've truly had my eyes opened to their contempt for women.

I've always voted, and always voted either Labour or Green. And I have sworn blind on the Book of Faces that I would never vote Tory and I hold to that. I've had my eyes opened, thanks to this nest of vipers, and Labour have been disappointing, and specifically the bossman himself.

Yes, absolutely. I can't even begin to imagine how we address this.

Years back I'd have said PR, but the Scottish government has revealed some huge flaws with that, namely that you can't vote some of the buggers out.

I'd say local authorities should be entirely apolitical, though. Party politics have actively fucked many things up, and ensuring nobody was standing on a poltovally affiliated platform might start to address the damaging wrangles and power struggles.

Our LA has political problems, that's true. but the bigger and by far biggest problem is the huge funding cuts from central government, in my opinion.

100%.
There have been complaints from politicians for years about voter disengagement, but it's not about the voters, it's about the politics. On various big things a lot of voters felt totally ignored by all sides and did not see the point in turning out. Politicians made promises (reduce immigration, sort out the NHS etc) which they failed to fulfil, so those who had voted for them last time just went and made a cup of tea when they got home after work on election day rather than going out to vote. And they have cocked up big time over so many things. I am fucked off with ALL of them TBH. They let lobby groups have undue sway over the legislative process and piss off people who do really know what they are talking about.

I have ALWAYS voted (my one-nation Tory mother banging on about the sufrgattes and women dying under horses saw to that) but I just couldn't raise the steam for the police and crime commissioner election. So far as I can see it changes nothing.

I will go to the polling station this GE, but it might be just write a comment about what a useless shower they all are, are Kier and Rishi really the best we have to offer?

The only consolation is that the Americans have it worse - an increasingly decrepit Biden on the one hand and the lunatic Trump on the other. But that is no consolation really, as without a strong and sensible America, the international situation looks even more dire (Russia, China...)

Speaking of cups of tea, I need one!

@EdithStourton I hear you!

I'm lucky that I have an excellent local Labour guy (know him personally) and he's likely to get my vote. It doesn't change my opinion that Starmer has been gutless and a huge let down on FWR, continually, repeatedly and shows no sign of changing. Fuckin 'safe spaces' is not fooling me, I see right through that.

I hope KJK supports JP in calling out Liz Truss over her decision to be interviewed by a raging misogynist

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/liz-truss-rishi-sunak-lotus-eaters-jess-phillips-b2553613.html

Won't hold my breath though

You don't hope that at all. You hope the opposite, so you can come on here and tell us all how she's let you down again, what a rotter etc etc

EdithStourton · Today 10:36

There have been complaints from politicians for years about voter disengagement, but it's not about the voters, it's about the politics. On various big things a lot of voters felt totally ignored by all sides and did not see the point in turning out.

When asked, they lie and say they haven't heard anyone complaining about a particular issue. It's never come up on the doorstep... Despite them running away, sometimes before barking "No debate," or calling people bigots.

If, as expected, it's the lowest turnout ever, some of the weirdo fringe parties could get MPs out of it and the big guns will be wringing their hands, apparently mystified as to why that is. If they pulled their heads out of their arses and listened, instead of dictating terms and expecting compliance, things could improve.

EdithStourton · Today 10:36

There have been complaints from politicians for years about voter disengagement, but it's not about the voters, it's about the politics. On various big things a lot of voters felt totally ignored by all sides and did not see the point in turning out.

When asked, they lie and say they haven't heard anyone complaining about a particular issue. It's never come up on the doorstep... Despite them running away, sometimes before barking "No debate," or calling people bigots.

If, as expected, it's the lowest turnout ever, some of the weirdo fringe parties could get MPs out of it and the big guns will be wringing their hands, apparently mystified as to why that is. If they pulled their heads out of their arses and listened, instead of dictating terms and expecting compliance, things could improve.

I have ALWAYS voted (my one-nation Tory mother banging on about the sufrgattes and women dying under horses saw to that)

Women won the right to vote just over 100 years ago. They would expect us to engage.

Not just turn out to vote for an uninspiring Tory or Labour candidate, but to engage.

KJK is doing just that.

'poltovally' is obviously not a word, autocock.

Politically.

Julie B...urchill in the Spectator eviscerating LRM

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-glorious-downfall-of-lloyd-russell-moyle/

I hope she gets to buy him that Woowoo. Washed up at 37 he might not have the dosh to stand his round. Unless...are Stonewall still hiring?

@EdithStourton the thing is that New Labour did try to sort out the NHS. Satisfaction levels in the NHS were at their highest during Blair’s tenure. They implemented other policies that went down well too amongst women and young families. They at least tried.
I think it’s easy to write both parties off now and say they’re all the same. But they aren’t. I think if it’s a close thing and the tories win another term, there’s a real risk of public disorder. Feelings are running that high, so many people are suffering. And yes even if they sort out the gender ID mess, what then ? Further mismanagement of everything.

It's at most 5 years I think. Tbh as long as the gra is repealed and ea improved I'll take that.

And someone else will come along and tell me how dare I assume that every woman wants this. No I agree, they dont. And my reply is how dare you assume all women are ok with men in womens prisons, hospital wards, etc.

And all labour had to do was say they'll sort it out. If they come out with we'll save women only single sex everything now, I wouldnt believe them.

KJK isn't very impressed with the Tories.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-tories-arent-serious-about-protecting-biological-sex/

She has a nice turn of phrase in that article 👍

This bit applies so widely in politics and institutions:

'The managerial class have decided that there are different categories of sex, and I don’t mean the fun kind of sex, I mean legal vs biological. They pretend that ‘legal sex’ is an actual category and though the Conservatives are keen on signalling that the current law is madness, they are not really serious about changing it. That would take real effort and sustained determination, not just the odd dog whistle.

If a man changes his ‘legal sex’ it means nothing in biological reality. It just means he has a fancy certificate – a government issued identification – to say he is legally a woman. It can, though, offer a predatory man access to vulnerable women in the very places designed to keep them safe from men.'

Edited to add that I’m off to watch the KJK interview linked in the article:

The Tories are only better on gender ideology than Labour, that doesn’t make them particularly good on it. There is so much they should already have done to protect women’s rights. It just shows how shocking Labour are that many are considering voting Tory to protect women’s rights as at least the Tories mostly can identify what a woman is. Labour will remove our language and data to even argue it.

Labour inherited a ‘boom’ and had much more money (plus the gold reserve despite gold being at rock bottom prices) to play with. They also put the NHS in hoc to the tune of £80 billion on PFI initiatives. They left government with the UK in the deepest recession since the war. It is a lot easier to please people when you are spending money.

This time won’t be so easy. Their hands will be tied financially, the NHS is still paying off Labour’s PFI debt from last time, there is no gold reserve, and the shadow of Covid casts a pall over the NHS.

If there is public disorder at the result of a democratic election then we have bigger problems.

I came across this on twitter, and it is really enjoyable. There are a few things I didn't know about like his support for Houthis "who were rebuked by Amnesty International this year for sentencing men to death by stoning and crucifixion, including death sentences against 13 students on charges of ‘spreading homosexuality’."

But I am no longer shocked by the stupid things these SJW MPs get up to.

If all this has taught me anything, it is not to take anything on trust from any politician or campaigner, and to educate, educate, educate myself.