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KJK is standing against Lloyd Russell-Mole in the General Election

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BoreOfWhabylon · 23/05/2024 14:20

Grin https://www.youtube.com/live/vHudcvW0bSQ?si=kj-pX6z_ioL6l3nj

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NoWordForFluffy · 02/06/2024 20:19

AdamRyan · 02/06/2024 20:15

Strangely your opinion isn't the final word on the discussion. I listened to her broadcast, and it makes no sense.

It made sense to me! 🤷‍♀️

AdamRyan · 02/06/2024 20:21

RebelliousCow · 02/06/2024 20:15

It is not a "word salad" - it was a, clearly, futile attempt to get you to understand other people's perspectives and motives for action.

You know nothing of my MP - so how do you know what is being "misrepresented" or not? You've not been involved in this issue in the way that many others have -you have no real clue.

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If I wrote a long post claiming you clearly don't understand the topic at hand, make everything tribal and that you can't operate outside the binary of left and right, would you feel like responding? It is insulting.

You have no idea how involved i am and how much of a "clue" I have.

NoWordForFluffy · 02/06/2024 20:22

AdamRyan · 02/06/2024 20:17

Vote for who you like.
There is zero chance of the GRA being repealed so if you vote on that basis, you are being sold a pup.

Amending the Equality Act resolves that though as it will clarify that sex = biological sex. GRC = legal sex.

AdamRyan · 02/06/2024 20:23

It's amazing how much deflection away from KJK gets done on these threads. Quite masterful.

NoWordForFluffy · 02/06/2024 20:23

AdamRyan · 02/06/2024 20:21

If I wrote a long post claiming you clearly don't understand the topic at hand, make everything tribal and that you can't operate outside the binary of left and right, would you feel like responding? It is insulting.

You have no idea how involved i am and how much of a "clue" I have.

Oh, so you think / understand differently to how you post on here? 🤔

RebelliousCow · 02/06/2024 20:24

AdamRyan · 02/06/2024 20:17

Vote for who you like.
There is zero chance of the GRA being repealed so if you vote on that basis, you are being sold a pup.

How many times do you have to be told.....I'll be spoiling my ballot unless there is a candidate I can vote for with confidence.

NoWordForFluffy · 02/06/2024 20:24

RebelliousCow · 02/06/2024 20:24

How many times do you have to be told.....I'll be spoiling my ballot unless there is a candidate I can vote for with confidence.

You're voting Tory then, yeah? <head tilt>

EasternStandard · 02/06/2024 20:25

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Yep “word salad” is irritating and it wasn’t

AdamRyan · 02/06/2024 20:25

RebelliousCow · 02/06/2024 20:24

How many times do you have to be told.....I'll be spoiling my ballot unless there is a candidate I can vote for with confidence.

OK. That fits in the bucket "vote for who you like". Or don't. Not voting is definitely going to make your opinion clear 😂

RebelliousCow · 02/06/2024 20:28

AdamRyan · 02/06/2024 20:21

If I wrote a long post claiming you clearly don't understand the topic at hand, make everything tribal and that you can't operate outside the binary of left and right, would you feel like responding? It is insulting.

You have no idea how involved i am and how much of a "clue" I have.

You seem to make it your mission to post on a forum, the fundamental Raison'D'Etre of which you have fundamental disagreement. Why do you bother?What is your motive?

You are not going to get anyone to change their view on the issue. All you are doing is generating column inches full of brittle disagreement and insult. When people respond or rebuff you throw a wobbly about being disrespected.

VinnieVanDog · 02/06/2024 20:28

NoWordForFluffy · 02/06/2024 20:22

Amending the Equality Act resolves that though as it will clarify that sex = biological sex. GRC = legal sex.

Right! The legislation already exists to exclude all males from female spaces it just needs to be made much clearer and firmer after years of lies from trans lobby groups. I'm hoping TRA will have soon have cause to regret their attempts to bully and 'cancel' Kishwer Falkner/EHRC.

RebelliousCow · 02/06/2024 20:29

AdamRyan · 02/06/2024 20:25

OK. That fits in the bucket "vote for who you like". Or don't. Not voting is definitely going to make your opinion clear 😂

What matters most to me is my own integrity.

RebelliousCow · 02/06/2024 20:31

AdamRyan · 02/06/2024 20:23

It's amazing how much deflection away from KJK gets done on these threads. Quite masterful.

You are giving yourself far too much credit.

NoWordForFluffy · 02/06/2024 20:32

AdamRyan · 02/06/2024 20:25

OK. That fits in the bucket "vote for who you like". Or don't. Not voting is definitely going to make your opinion clear 😂

Putting an X in a box doesn't show your feelings either. It certainly doesn't say which bits of the manifesto you agree with and which bits you don't (surely vanishingly rare to agree with everything, as opposed to choosing a best fit).

You can actually say what you think when spoiling your vote. They have to be read to check whether they can be construed as a vote (and the main contenders often check them in case they can argue it's a vote for them).

AdamRyan · 02/06/2024 20:32

RebelliousCow · 02/06/2024 20:31

You are giving yourself far too much credit.

Eh?
Noone is talking about KJK, as always we are talking about Evil Lefty Bogeymen.
I would much prefer not to have to chat on about it but you guys seemingly can't handle anything else.

NoWordForFluffy · 02/06/2024 20:33

RebelliousCow · 02/06/2024 20:28

You seem to make it your mission to post on a forum, the fundamental Raison'D'Etre of which you have fundamental disagreement. Why do you bother?What is your motive?

You are not going to get anyone to change their view on the issue. All you are doing is generating column inches full of brittle disagreement and insult. When people respond or rebuff you throw a wobbly about being disrespected.

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Or claiming they're being bullied!

NoWordForFluffy · 02/06/2024 20:37

AdamRyan · 02/06/2024 20:32

Eh?
Noone is talking about KJK, as always we are talking about Evil Lefty Bogeymen.
I would much prefer not to have to chat on about it but you guys seemingly can't handle anything else.

KJK doesn't exist in a vacuum. Talking around the issues as to why PoW is even needed is obviously going to include discussing the (perceived) shortcomings of the party she wants to challenge.

BackToLurk · 02/06/2024 20:41

NoWordForFluffy · 02/06/2024 20:12

Talk to KJK about it. I just told you what she said. I've not changed my position on anything, so there is fuck all point in raising it with me.

Give KJK a call when she's next on air, ask her about it!

Is your position that you knew that JP offered support, albeit not full enough because of the 'wittering' ,but you thought you'd repeat KJK's claim that she offered no support at all anyway?

NoWordForFluffy · 02/06/2024 20:46

BackToLurk · 02/06/2024 20:41

Is your position that you knew that JP offered support, albeit not full enough because of the 'wittering' ,but you thought you'd repeat KJK's claim that she offered no support at all anyway?

I responded to answer why KJK has stood against JP. And explained what she'd said in her broadcast was the reason why. I didn't repeat her claim as my position; you're misrepresenting what I said. Common trait around these parts for some reason!

My opinion, having looked into it, is that the support is wishy washy, given what else JP said about it.

BezMills · 02/06/2024 20:49

So have Labour updated us on the 35000 woman penises? It's quite important to be able to say to 50% of the population, that they actually exist as a sex class.
Well, I think so.

NoWordForFluffy · 02/06/2024 20:49

In fact, read it yourself again, to remind yourself.

Top bit: clearly says what KJK said.

Bottom bit: my thoughts on what she's hoping to achieve (which JP hasn't said in her 'support').

Clear enough? Or would you like to continue misrepresenting me?

KJK is standing against Lloyd Russell-Mole in the General Election
DrSpartacularsUltraFeminism · 02/06/2024 21:02

As usual, KJK certainly gets people taking about it all...

Impressive work from someone who has no influence.

BTW, wasn't there recent press about Labour plans to make it super easy to get a GRC by self-IDing to a GP, and to get rid of the spousal exit clause?

Datun · 02/06/2024 22:03

AdamRyan · 02/06/2024 19:42

I don't think any of the "serious" parties want to touch it. My prediction is if any of the bigger parties say they will repeal the GRA it will be Reform - and they are lunatics who promise the moon on a stick (zero waiting lists in the NHS, zero net migration AND lower taxes).

I think Labour will stick to the statement from last year and make reassuring noises about the GRA not overriding the EA and ensuring that service providers understand their obligations under the EA.

I think the Tories will either say nothing or make some kind of non-commitment to "consider" it. Which they've been doing for 18 months.

So for me repealing the GRA/ some males recognised as legally female is a non starter.

If some males can be recognised as legally female it depends when and where exemptions are applied and Labour at least are openly talking about the need to do that.

I know you don't agree. What I object to is this idea "the Left" will somehow be worse for women than "the Right" on the basis of nothing at all.

So no!

AdamRyan · 02/06/2024 22:05

Datun · 02/06/2024 22:03

So no!

No what? I answered your question.

illinivich · 02/06/2024 22:57

I don't think any of the "serious" parties want to touch it. My prediction is if any of the bigger parties say they will repeal the GRA it will be Reform

Not the GRA, but conservatives are talking about rewriting the EqA to make it clear that SSE is sex not GRA aquired sex.

Something for the others parties to respond to.

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