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KJK is standing against Lloyd Russell-Mole in the General Election

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BoreOfWhabylon · 23/05/2024 14:20

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EffieeBriest · 01/06/2024 10:43

@IwantToRetire lol. Weak flip floppy Starmer or Authoritarian Starmer which is it ?

Needmoresleep · 01/06/2024 10:51

EffieeBriest · 01/06/2024 10:41

Why not Penny Mordant or Jamie Wallis ?

Edited

Because they are not going to form the Government.

And the Tories are actually starting to recognise the problems and are post Cass trying to roll back the tide.

It is not about individual personalities but about highlighting important issues.

Needmoresleep · 01/06/2024 10:55

BackToLurk · 01/06/2024 10:32

This assumes that JP holds the views she does because she hasn’t ’got the message’. I’d have thought she was one of the MPs with the widest experience of different positions, and she’s chosen hers.

I’m also not sure about her wielding real power. She held a minor shadow cabinet position, which she resigned. There are shadow ministers up for reelection.

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But others have not made such a big thing about defending women's rights. This is an issue that Jess will find it difficult to ignore, whereas someone like Rachel Reeves might just sail on by, focusing on her plans for the economy.

EasternStandard · 01/06/2024 10:58

Needmoresleep · 01/06/2024 10:55

But others have not made such a big thing about defending women's rights. This is an issue that Jess will find it difficult to ignore, whereas someone like Rachel Reeves might just sail on by, focusing on her plans for the economy.

Agree. It might get more headlines, it can be questions on the party position anyway

The proposed GP / medic Self ID etc and which spaces will be single sex and how

BackToLurk · 01/06/2024 11:00

Needmoresleep · 01/06/2024 10:55

But others have not made such a big thing about defending women's rights. This is an issue that Jess will find it difficult to ignore, whereas someone like Rachel Reeves might just sail on by, focusing on her plans for the economy.

I’m pretty sure LRM hadn’t made a big thing about defending women’s rights. So why stand against him? Is this about JP not being pure enough?

EasternStandard · 01/06/2024 11:01

BackToLurk · 01/06/2024 11:00

I’m pretty sure LRM hadn’t made a big thing about defending women’s rights. So why stand against him? Is this about JP not being pure enough?

It’s more about getting the topic in view

Some MPs will lend themselves more to that than others

Needmoresleep · 01/06/2024 11:03

BackToLurk · 01/06/2024 11:00

I’m pretty sure LRM hadn’t made a big thing about defending women’s rights. So why stand against him? Is this about JP not being pure enough?

Yes. He was the opposite. Infamous for being aggressively anti GC women.

KJK is after national headlines. She has no hope of winning. She just wants the platform.

I assume she has calculated that Jess Phillips is her next best chance of achieving this.

BackToLurk · 01/06/2024 11:05

Needmoresleep · 01/06/2024 11:03

Yes. He was the opposite. Infamous for being aggressively anti GC women.

KJK is after national headlines. She has no hope of winning. She just wants the platform.

I assume she has calculated that Jess Phillips is her next best chance of achieving this.

Better than Stella Creasy for example?

Floisme · 01/06/2024 11:07

I was just thinking Stella Creasy too

Edited to add: although I'd still have preferred Anneliese Dodds.

Anyway not my decision and I'm not the one putting the work in.

DrSpartacularsUltraFeminism · 01/06/2024 11:11

The best thing for those who are curious is probably to ask her directly as she can't post here.

BackToLurk · 01/06/2024 11:15

Floisme · 01/06/2024 11:07

I was just thinking Stella Creasy too

Edited to add: although I'd still have preferred Anneliese Dodds.

Anyway not my decision and I'm not the one putting the work in.

Edited

It will at least be interesting. JP came out against a group of parents objecting to the No Outsiders teaching pack. The parents were Muslim, so we’ll see where KJK positions herself.

illinivich · 01/06/2024 11:22

Phillips isn't a cabinet level MP (but who knows in the future) but she is prominent in the media. She also talks a lot about womens rights, so it will be useful how she or the party envisages how trans ideology works with safeguarding and womens rights.

Its good that she now can see the difference between a man with gender and a woman, and the need for some womens services.

So a discussion between jess and posie can skip the 'what is a woman' question, to how to maintain women only services and safeguarding.

I would be interested to hear what Jess thinks about the concept of a trans child, too.

BackToLurk · 01/06/2024 11:22

illinivich · 01/06/2024 11:22

Phillips isn't a cabinet level MP (but who knows in the future) but she is prominent in the media. She also talks a lot about womens rights, so it will be useful how she or the party envisages how trans ideology works with safeguarding and womens rights.

Its good that she now can see the difference between a man with gender and a woman, and the need for some womens services.

So a discussion between jess and posie can skip the 'what is a woman' question, to how to maintain women only services and safeguarding.

I would be interested to hear what Jess thinks about the concept of a trans child, too.

Are you in the constituency?

illinivich · 01/06/2024 11:24

Are you in the constituency?

Why just ask me, and no one else on the thread?

BackToLurk · 01/06/2024 11:26

illinivich · 01/06/2024 11:24

Are you in the constituency?

Why just ask me, and no one else on the thread?

Because you talked about hearing the discussion. Discussions between candidates take place in the constituency. If the take place at all. They’re not national.

illinivich · 01/06/2024 11:35

They report on tv and in local press, too. Also, candidates and those present tend to tweet what they say and hear.

There are ways of finding out what MPs think without actually being in the room with them, nowadays.

Needmoresleep · 01/06/2024 11:49

BackToLurk · 01/06/2024 11:05

Better than Stella Creasy for example?

I have no idea. That was KJK to decide. People here seem to question her every last move. I am content that she does what she does and that she is effective in broadcasting the message that women's rights count. If some of the gripers here did only a fraction of what she does, women's rights would be in a better place.

I have seen Jess speak in a debate and she left me feelings slightly sick. It was a mix of her smugness when relating her credentials in protecting women's rights and then her failure to do anything to actually protect women's rights. Perhaps KJK had the same experience.

I don't know much about Stella Creasy. She does not seem to have promoted herself as a champion of women's rights in the same way as Jess Phillips has. Rather than simply throw out names could you explain why someone else would be more effective.

EasternStandard · 01/06/2024 11:51

BackToLurk · 01/06/2024 11:26

Because you talked about hearing the discussion. Discussions between candidates take place in the constituency. If the take place at all. They’re not national.

Well that’s the point of getting headlines surely

So the issue is amplified

BackToLurk · 01/06/2024 11:56

Needmoresleep · 01/06/2024 11:49

I have no idea. That was KJK to decide. People here seem to question her every last move. I am content that she does what she does and that she is effective in broadcasting the message that women's rights count. If some of the gripers here did only a fraction of what she does, women's rights would be in a better place.

I have seen Jess speak in a debate and she left me feelings slightly sick. It was a mix of her smugness when relating her credentials in protecting women's rights and then her failure to do anything to actually protect women's rights. Perhaps KJK had the same experience.

I don't know much about Stella Creasy. She does not seem to have promoted herself as a champion of women's rights in the same way as Jess Phillips has. Rather than simply throw out names could you explain why someone else would be more effective.

You have no idea what ‘the gripers’ do. Just as I have no idea whether the ‘fan girls’ will be standing across the U.K. to remove the need for KJK to hop around constituencies like a better dressed George Galloway.

I’d have thought SC was more widely known. She certainly sets herself up as a feminist and is from memory very TWAW. She also comes with the added advantage that journalists don’t have to leave London to cover the constituency.

Needmoresleep · 01/06/2024 12:01

BackToLurk · 01/06/2024 11:56

You have no idea what ‘the gripers’ do. Just as I have no idea whether the ‘fan girls’ will be standing across the U.K. to remove the need for KJK to hop around constituencies like a better dressed George Galloway.

I’d have thought SC was more widely known. She certainly sets herself up as a feminist and is from memory very TWAW. She also comes with the added advantage that journalists don’t have to leave London to cover the constituency.

Not your decision to make. Its KJKs.

You could stand against SC?

SinnerBoy · 01/06/2024 12:05

BackToLurk · Today 09:39

Angela Rayner, Nadia Whittome, Zarah Sultana, Stephen Morgan, Chris Bryant. There were loads of other options.

True enough, but none of them are likely to have a demented, screeching tantrum, unlike Rustle Loud-Mole.

BackToLurk · 01/06/2024 12:06

SinnerBoy · 01/06/2024 12:05

BackToLurk · Today 09:39

Angela Rayner, Nadia Whittome, Zarah Sultana, Stephen Morgan, Chris Bryant. There were loads of other options.

True enough, but none of them are likely to have a demented, screeching tantrum, unlike Rustle Loud-Mole.

Nadia might cry

BackToLurk · 01/06/2024 12:07

Needmoresleep · 01/06/2024 12:01

Not your decision to make. Its KJKs.

You could stand against SC?

Why would I stand? I’m nowhere near the constituency. I don’t belong to a political party.

AdamRyan · 01/06/2024 12:42

Needmoresleep · 01/06/2024 11:49

I have no idea. That was KJK to decide. People here seem to question her every last move. I am content that she does what she does and that she is effective in broadcasting the message that women's rights count. If some of the gripers here did only a fraction of what she does, women's rights would be in a better place.

I have seen Jess speak in a debate and she left me feelings slightly sick. It was a mix of her smugness when relating her credentials in protecting women's rights and then her failure to do anything to actually protect women's rights. Perhaps KJK had the same experience.

I don't know much about Stella Creasy. She does not seem to have promoted herself as a champion of women's rights in the same way as Jess Phillips has. Rather than simply throw out names could you explain why someone else would be more effective.

You don't seem to know much about the openly feminist MPs and their positions.
Jess Phillips spends hours reading the name of every single woman murdered to raise the profile of femicide, a crime that can't be tracked through official statistics and relies on feminist activists to keep track of. She campaigns for women and girls and against domestic violence all the time. JP is not TWAW.

Stella Creasey campaigns for women's rights at work and against online misogynistic trolling. She campaigns to make misogyny a hate crime.

Both of them get death threats and online abuse just for daring to be women in politics.

We need womens voices contributing to parliamentary business; we definitely need feminist voices.

Instead there seems to be a purity politics angle at play to dismiss women who aren't feministing right. Meanwhile the men carry on unhindered.

KJKs approach here makes this look like a spat between women on a fringe women's issue. If she was serious about raising the profile, she'd tackle a big hitting male MP about it.

EasternStandard · 01/06/2024 12:46

Some posters will complain whatever

I agree with pp go with someone who will expose Labour’s position and get headlines

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