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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

KJK is standing against Lloyd Russell-Mole in the General Election

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BoreOfWhabylon · 23/05/2024 14:20

Grin https://www.youtube.com/live/vHudcvW0bSQ?si=kj-pX6z_ioL6l3nj

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https://www.youtube.com/live/vHudcvW0bSQ?si=kj-pX6z_ioL6l3nj

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MyOleMan · 25/05/2024 22:56

She’s not standing for me. This is a democracy not a dictatorship

Sloejelly · 25/05/2024 23:55

MyOleMan · 25/05/2024 22:56

She’s not standing for me. This is a democracy not a dictatorship

If you are female, then she is. You are right it is a democracy and you don’t have to agree with her or vote for her. But she will still fight for you not to be locked up in a ward with mentally ill male sex offenders should you ever end up in a secure mental health facility, or not to be strip-search by a male police officer. And she would still give you a chance to speak at one of her events without requiring you to take a specific position. All things Labour would not do.

WhatWillSwingIt · 26/05/2024 00:03

I wish her all the luck. She needs hefty donations to get lots of women to stand.

RhannionKPSS · 26/05/2024 01:06

👏👏👏👏👏👏go get him Kellie!!!! 💚🤍💜

NefertitiV · 26/05/2024 01:06

BezMills · 25/05/2024 16:56

Anyone can google it, look at the top hits in this search...

www.google.com/search?q=kier+starmer+99.9%25

Yes, they can. It does help if the first name is spelled correctly too.

AutumnCrow · 26/05/2024 02:27

I think it's pretty obvious that LRM struggles to control his emotions.

The House of Commons incident, for example, seemed to strongly suggest a man temporarily on the edge of reason. Quite why the Deputy Speaker Dame Rosie Winterton didn't admonish him and make him return to the opposite benches, I would very much like to know. More trouble than it was worth (in her mind), perhaps? That's no way to run a parliament.

The MPs who assisted Cates btw way were Conservative MP Paul Bristow who moved down a row or two to sit next to Cates, and 'Father of the House' Peter Bottomley who was sitting in front of her. Peter Bottomley intervened, but Rosie Winterton remained wishy-washy; and Bristow made a Point of Order about LRM’s behaviour a few days later.

I suspect that LRM is a good 'mark' for a woman opponent able to appreciate who and what they are dealing with, if the woman's aim is to rattle and bring sunlight onto a particular mind-set.

WomanXXWorldsOriginsofMothersofAllNations · 26/05/2024 02:41

You can't change facts just because you don't like them says AdamRyan who is totes fine believing men who say they’re women, are in fact women 🙄

BezMills · 26/05/2024 03:17

NefertitiV · 26/05/2024 01:06

Yes, they can. It does help if the first name is spelled correctly too.

Actually it doesn't help at all, so...

NefertitiV · 26/05/2024 05:38

@BezMills

Actually it doesn't help at all, so...

Point missed, but okay.

Woaplso · 26/05/2024 09:01

Shame that now LRM will be able dismiss everything KJK says about women and women’s spaces by playing the video posted upthread, where she encourages people to deny trans people housing and employment. What a massive own goal for her and for everyone who cares about these issues.

Sloejelly · 26/05/2024 09:33

Woaplso · 26/05/2024 09:01

Shame that now LRM will be able dismiss everything KJK says about women and women’s spaces by playing the video posted upthread, where she encourages people to deny trans people housing and employment. What a massive own goal for her and for everyone who cares about these issues.

It would be pot calling the kettle black.

AdamRyan · 26/05/2024 10:42

WomanXXWorldsOriginsofMothersofAllNations · 26/05/2024 02:41

You can't change facts just because you don't like them says AdamRyan who is totes fine believing men who say they’re women, are in fact women 🙄

🙄
I don't "believe men who say they are women, are in fact women".

AdamRyan · 26/05/2024 10:43

MyOleMan · 25/05/2024 20:40

I think kjk chickened out of going up against Keir Starmer and instead went for Lloyd Russell Mole because she loves controversy. KJK isn't interested in actually finding any solutions, she's just looking for click bait, as per usual. Sh'es built an entire career on this now. She's goiong the way of Katie Hopkins, getting wilder and wilder, and more and more full of herself

Agree 💯

Datun · 26/05/2024 10:44

Woaplso · 26/05/2024 09:01

Shame that now LRM will be able dismiss everything KJK says about women and women’s spaces by playing the video posted upthread, where she encourages people to deny trans people housing and employment. What a massive own goal for her and for everyone who cares about these issues.

I'm sure KJK can back up any assertion she's made. Whether by justifying it, or explaining her thought process.

And it's that discourse which will be invaluable.

She wants to be questioned, remember. It's what gets the debate going.

Woaplso · 26/05/2024 11:12

Datun · 26/05/2024 10:44

I'm sure KJK can back up any assertion she's made. Whether by justifying it, or explaining her thought process.

And it's that discourse which will be invaluable.

She wants to be questioned, remember. It's what gets the debate going.

This sounds a bit too close to suspending critical thinking and trusting to a higher purpose to be honest. That kind of thinking is what got people into this gender mess in the first place. There’s definitely no evidence to back up the assertion that all trans people don’t pay rent, and that’s not a helpful debate to have to highlight issues affecting women.

The time when we just needed any attention at all on these issues is over, gender and sex is now a mainstream issue and there’s been a lot of policy and political movement in the past couple of years. A lot to do still, but we’re not scrabbling around for anyone to pay attention to this stuff any more. A scrap between KJK and LRM is a sideshow.

Datun · 26/05/2024 11:27

Woaplso · 26/05/2024 11:12

This sounds a bit too close to suspending critical thinking and trusting to a higher purpose to be honest. That kind of thinking is what got people into this gender mess in the first place. There’s definitely no evidence to back up the assertion that all trans people don’t pay rent, and that’s not a helpful debate to have to highlight issues affecting women.

The time when we just needed any attention at all on these issues is over, gender and sex is now a mainstream issue and there’s been a lot of policy and political movement in the past couple of years. A lot to do still, but we’re not scrabbling around for anyone to pay attention to this stuff any more. A scrap between KJK and LRM is a sideshow.

We've got canvassers showing up on doorsteps completely unaware of any of the issues, or even that it could be an issue. Acting bemused in fact.

It might feel mainstream to you, but many people still have absolutely no clue how far the ideology has gone. None.

And, more to the point, they don't believe it when told. That's how unaware they are. Taking on LRM will be hearing it straight from the horse's mouth, which is always much more of an eye opener than being told by the women it affects.

And as for 'trusting to a higher purpose'. KJK is not a higher purpose, she's the person who actually said the words! She is therefore in the unique position of knowing exactly what she means and, now, will have the opportunity to say so.

Winnading · 26/05/2024 12:52

Woaplso · 26/05/2024 11:12

This sounds a bit too close to suspending critical thinking and trusting to a higher purpose to be honest. That kind of thinking is what got people into this gender mess in the first place. There’s definitely no evidence to back up the assertion that all trans people don’t pay rent, and that’s not a helpful debate to have to highlight issues affecting women.

The time when we just needed any attention at all on these issues is over, gender and sex is now a mainstream issue and there’s been a lot of policy and political movement in the past couple of years. A lot to do still, but we’re not scrabbling around for anyone to pay attention to this stuff any more. A scrap between KJK and LRM is a sideshow.

And you are doing what to help?

If your so worried she's doing it wrong, what is your plan?

AdamRyan · 26/05/2024 13:12

Woaplso · 26/05/2024 11:12

This sounds a bit too close to suspending critical thinking and trusting to a higher purpose to be honest. That kind of thinking is what got people into this gender mess in the first place. There’s definitely no evidence to back up the assertion that all trans people don’t pay rent, and that’s not a helpful debate to have to highlight issues affecting women.

The time when we just needed any attention at all on these issues is over, gender and sex is now a mainstream issue and there’s been a lot of policy and political movement in the past couple of years. A lot to do still, but we’re not scrabbling around for anyone to pay attention to this stuff any more. A scrap between KJK and LRM is a sideshow.

Agree

She also openly says she's transphobic (see video I linked above) which is straight away going to alienate a large proportion of the population.

I think she's potentially going to do more harm than good to GC feminism, I hope I'm wrong though.

AdamRyan · 26/05/2024 13:14

Datun · 26/05/2024 11:27

We've got canvassers showing up on doorsteps completely unaware of any of the issues, or even that it could be an issue. Acting bemused in fact.

It might feel mainstream to you, but many people still have absolutely no clue how far the ideology has gone. None.

And, more to the point, they don't believe it when told. That's how unaware they are. Taking on LRM will be hearing it straight from the horse's mouth, which is always much more of an eye opener than being told by the women it affects.

And as for 'trusting to a higher purpose'. KJK is not a higher purpose, she's the person who actually said the words! She is therefore in the unique position of knowing exactly what she means and, now, will have the opportunity to say so.

It's very unlikely to get any coverage beyond (maybe) a bit of local press.

It will be on YouTube for clicks from people already following the debate.

If she had gone up against Starmer or Sunak she might have had a tiny chance of some coverage, but against LRM in Brighton? Nah.

I'm not even sure it's confirmed LRM is standing.

BezMills · 26/05/2024 13:16

Be interesting to see how often and to what extent LRM shows us his misogynist rage at KJK.

Operation Let Him Froth

EasternStandard · 26/05/2024 13:17

The amount of headspace people give her is interesting

Especially the ones who don’t like her

BezMills · 26/05/2024 13:22

She's punching way above her weight there. P4P GOAT candidate

VinnieVanDog · 26/05/2024 13:23

'Openly transphobic' is Gender Ideology for rational thinking. I don't see how that would alienate anyone outside GI.

AdamRyan · 26/05/2024 13:29

VinnieVanDog · 26/05/2024 13:23

'Openly transphobic' is Gender Ideology for rational thinking. I don't see how that would alienate anyone outside GI.

Really? You think saying "I'm very much transphobic" in public, where lots of people view transphobia as in the same category as homophobia and racism, isn't going to alienate people?

I think it will. I think a lot of people won't want to hear what she's got to say.

She also really has massively shot herself in the foot with her recent comments - they were transphobic and nothing to do with "womens sex based rights". Most people will find them repugnant, as shown on the other thread.

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