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JudgyGarland · 02/05/2024 14:09

IDoNotConsentToAstonResearch · 02/05/2024 14:00

Imagine what they’d have said if she had put her in Slytherin.

Boo's and hisses. Parseltongue inclusive.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 02/05/2024 14:12

I have seen FB posts applauding DR for his stance, and comments about JKR’s ‘vile’ statements on trans rights. I want to reply with the actual statements that she made, to prove that she is pro-woman, and has never promoted anti-trans violence etc - so I was wondering whether there is a single source somewhere, where I can find all the things she’s said on the subject?

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 02/05/2024 14:49

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 02/05/2024 14:12

I have seen FB posts applauding DR for his stance, and comments about JKR’s ‘vile’ statements on trans rights. I want to reply with the actual statements that she made, to prove that she is pro-woman, and has never promoted anti-trans violence etc - so I was wondering whether there is a single source somewhere, where I can find all the things she’s said on the subject?

"All the things" is a bit of a tall order but this is a good start:

10 June 2020 J.K. Rowling Writes about Her Reasons for Speaking out on Sex and Gender Issues
https://www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k-rowling-writes-about-her-reasons-for-speaking-out-on-sex-and-gender-issues/

J.K. Rowling Writes about Her Reasons for Speaking out on Sex and Gender Issues - J.K. Rowling

Warning: The below content is not appropriate for children. Please check with an adult before you read this page. To go back to the children’s page, please click here. This isn’t an easy piece to write, for reasons that will shortly become clear, but I...

https://www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k-rowling-writes-about-her-reasons-for-speaking-out-on-sex-and-gender-issues

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 02/05/2024 14:54

Anyway you can't prove a negative so the only reasonable reaction to someone saying "she promoted anti-trans violence" is "really? show me, where did she say that?" Though I wouldn't bother on Facebook or any social media, you're unlikely to get a sensible answer.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 02/05/2024 14:59

Thank you, @AmaryllisNightAndDay . 💐

quantumbutterfly · 02/05/2024 16:46

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 02/05/2024 14:49

"All the things" is a bit of a tall order but this is a good start:

10 June 2020 J.K. Rowling Writes about Her Reasons for Speaking out on Sex and Gender Issues
https://www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k-rowling-writes-about-her-reasons-for-speaking-out-on-sex-and-gender-issues/

I show this to anyone who tells me that jkr is transphobic, from my generation z colleagues to my teenage children. You can tell how captured they are by their responses.

My younger ds has many female friends who see this as a solution to their angst. Like the eating disorders that were a well-publicised feature of my generations childhood, there is an element of asserting self and control in the maelstrom of lived experience. One of his friends has a close relative with Klinefelters, which ,(if they know), should at least highlight the importance of testosterone to male body health . As parents we try to take a watching brief to avoid harm until the mental anguish is better understood. (We remember being teenagers)

That is the biggest issue for me as a parent. When my son dressed up as a princess and played with the girls at nursery I did not assume he was in the wrong body and try to change him.

I have many reasons in my own lived experience to be protective of the innocence and safety we should expect for children, I am immensely grateful to people who have worked so hard and put themselves at risk to highlight these issues.

Mmmnotsure · 02/05/2024 18:39

StainlessSteelMouse · 02/05/2024 12:42

Not having a goblin tradition in Ireland, I don't know much about that, but it's very likely old European folklore got mixed up with antisemitic stereotypes at some point. And if it's a subcurrent in folklore maybe hardly anyone notices.

What I do know is that so much of the nitpicking over "problematic tropes" is both silly and obviously motivated. What takes me to the fair is people who aren't Irish getting very annoyed about Seamus Finnigan, as if this is some absurd name that no Irish person would have. Most Irish readers were probably thinking "hang on, I know at least five Seamus Finnigans".

@StainlessSteelMouse
"What takes me to the fair" - it's a good phrase. What does it mean, please?

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 02/05/2024 18:59

I would think it means the same as when my Mum (Scottish) says 'What takes me to town is ...' which means 'What really takes the biscuit for me is ...'.

StainlessSteelMouse · 02/05/2024 18:59

It's an Irish expression. I suppose it would be "this is the one thing I find gobsmacking".

Mmmnotsure · 02/05/2024 19:01

@StainlessSteelMouse
@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g
Thank you both

CheeseSandwichRiskAssessment · 02/05/2024 19:51

quantumbutterfly · 02/05/2024 16:46

I show this to anyone who tells me that jkr is transphobic, from my generation z colleagues to my teenage children. You can tell how captured they are by their responses.

My younger ds has many female friends who see this as a solution to their angst. Like the eating disorders that were a well-publicised feature of my generations childhood, there is an element of asserting self and control in the maelstrom of lived experience. One of his friends has a close relative with Klinefelters, which ,(if they know), should at least highlight the importance of testosterone to male body health . As parents we try to take a watching brief to avoid harm until the mental anguish is better understood. (We remember being teenagers)

That is the biggest issue for me as a parent. When my son dressed up as a princess and played with the girls at nursery I did not assume he was in the wrong body and try to change him.

I have many reasons in my own lived experience to be protective of the innocence and safety we should expect for children, I am immensely grateful to people who have worked so hard and put themselves at risk to highlight these issues.

Thanks for this, we must be a similar age and the eating disorders really tragically affected us, even young men. I know people who still have lasting physical damage, and we wasted so much time and brainpower.

BlessedKali · 02/05/2024 23:18

Off topic, but he absolutely ruined the Harry Potter films, in my opinion. And this has absolutely nothing to do with how I feel about JKR, and his stance on that subject.

If you read and loved the Harry Potter books, you loved the main character because he was quick thinking, clever, witty, brilliant in some ways. Danial Radcliffe RUINED him. He just comes across like an absolute plank. He makes the films seem like Harry Potter is just some absolute lemon, around which lots of things happen supported by everyone else. I always think how they must have regretted casting him... as he got older his lack of acting talent must have become more and more apparant.

It's laughable really that this talentless man who owes all his wealth to this woman's brilliant mind (becuase who else would ever cast him as anything?) is disrespecting her.

Maybe he really is just a plank and doesn't even know what's going on.

NonPlayerCharacter · 02/05/2024 23:23

Radcliffe and Watson are so wooden that if they played alongside Pinocchio then he'd think he was the real boy.

Remember that scene from PoA? "He was their friend!" Can you even watch that scene without cracking up? Presumably that was the best take he managed!

BezMills · 03/05/2024 03:58

I think they did a good enough job. The outstanding adult cast carry the kids, that's fair comment. I find the fillums are great fun, with the possible exception of 7A.

YankSplaining · 03/05/2024 03:58

Bobbotgegrinch · 01/05/2024 16:28

Really?

I think the mans opinions on JKR and womens rights make him an eejit, but he's gotten plenty of work according to that imdb page. He's been the lead in a TV show for the last 4 years, and has been in 6 movies during that time as well.

He's also been appearing in a Broadway show for the past couple of years (presumably since his TV show finished filming)

For a guy who has enough cash to never work again, and is known to be picky about what work he does, he seems to be fairly regularly employed.

And he got an Emmy nomination last year. I don’t know where people are getting the idea that he’s all washed-up as an actor. Obviously he’s not making blockbusters anymore, but I don’t think anyone ever expected him to - everyone knew that the draw of the HP movies was the characters, not the actors.

YankSplaining · 03/05/2024 04:06

BlessedKali · 02/05/2024 23:18

Off topic, but he absolutely ruined the Harry Potter films, in my opinion. And this has absolutely nothing to do with how I feel about JKR, and his stance on that subject.

If you read and loved the Harry Potter books, you loved the main character because he was quick thinking, clever, witty, brilliant in some ways. Danial Radcliffe RUINED him. He just comes across like an absolute plank. He makes the films seem like Harry Potter is just some absolute lemon, around which lots of things happen supported by everyone else. I always think how they must have regretted casting him... as he got older his lack of acting talent must have become more and more apparant.

It's laughable really that this talentless man who owes all his wealth to this woman's brilliant mind (becuase who else would ever cast him as anything?) is disrespecting her.

Maybe he really is just a plank and doesn't even know what's going on.

I think he’s pretty good in the first two - especially the first one, where his main job is to be amazed by everything happening around him. His deficiencies as an actor only began to stand out in the third movie, IMO. He really didn’t have it in him to pull off the big emotional scenes.

greenlettuce · 03/05/2024 04:28

I worry that his views given he has played such an iconic character have influence young people. I think he is a very good actor but I do not agree with his views on this issue.

YankSplaining · 03/05/2024 04:35

JudgyGarland · 02/05/2024 12:25

Sirius also said he hoped the elf had died when they couldn't find him, was constantly criticising him and his cleaning 'the house Getting blacker by the day'.
I assumed Sirius' treatment of Kreacher must have been historical, considering when he left his home and why.
However, I also suspect Sirius suffered at least one kind of abuse by his parents, so it's really just an abuse cycle.

I maintain that Sirius treated Kreacher as more of an equal than anyone else did, insofar as he always credited him with being responsible for his own actions. Hermione kept trying to make excuses for Kreacher, whereas Sirius was like, “Nope, he knows exactly what he’s saying and he means it.” Sirius had no time or patience for pureblood supremacists and he wasn’t going to give Kreacher a special pass.

I’ve always hated the idea that Sirius somehow contributed to his own death by not being “nice” to Kreacher. He was trapped in a house - the scene of his family trauma - with a nasty elf who was always making racist remarks. He was dealing with all kinds of mental health stuff and trying to help Harry in the very limited ways he could. He spent twelve years in Azkaban and didn’t have the chance to mature like a regular man in his mid-thirties. So yes, very bad Sirius, not prioritizing being “nice” to the racist elf. 🙄 Even if he’d thought of it, why would he ever think it would work? Hermione was nice to Kreacher and he still went around mumbling that she was a Mudblood.

quantumbutterfly · 03/05/2024 07:14

Imo, analysing literature is mostly a subjective exercise, and your analysis exposes you and the author, your relationship with their words. I often wondered what the writers would make of our analyses when we studied texts for o-level.
Language was created for communication but can be given contextual interpretation, (and the corresponding exhorbitant legal fee).

Gwenog's outstanding analysis rings as true as Yanksplaining's.

Creators put a part of themselves into their creations. This of course means that all jkr's works are her horcruxes, little pieces of immortality, and she only needed to kill off fictional characters in the making of them. That's an awful lot of book burning before you can kill off the big bad witch!

I remember reading the threads here speculating how the story would unfold with each book as they were being published, and wondering if jkr was reading or even contributing to mumsnet. I'm sure at least one person raised the idea of Harry the horcrux before the plot was fully formed in the books.

We all watched the child actors growing up in the spotlight and tbf that's not an easy thing and there have been demons for them.

I'm in awe of the complexity of jkr's brain, her work ethic and her wordsmithing.

GoldThumb · 03/05/2024 07:52

BloodyHellKenAgain · 02/05/2024 09:43

Of course he did. That's why I always roll my eyes when I hear (straight) men say TWAW. Unless they are going to walk the walk what they say is meaningless.

Inclusive in the tweets, TERFS in the sheets…

SinnerBoy · 03/05/2024 07:58

Inclusive in the tweets, TERFS in the sheets…

😂

BloodyHellKenAgain · 03/05/2024 09:01

GoldThumb · 03/05/2024 07:52

Inclusive in the tweets, TERFS in the sheets…

😂😂😂 perfect

NonPlayerCharacter · 03/05/2024 09:07

Jo, we know you lurk here (or maybe you post, who knows?)...can you post that genius line on X?

JudgyGarland · 03/05/2024 10:27

I agree that Sirius isn't to 'blame' for his actions it's a series of actions and poor character decisions highlighting their flaws that lead to his death. Harry's rashness and need to be the hero (not to mention ignoring Hermione) Dumbledore's secrecy and lack of compassion if the big picture is concerned, Snape's lingering resentment, Sirius' rashness and abuse of Kreacher. They all come together to end in tragedy and all the characters need to learn from this to 'win'.

I think it's all far more clever than finding blame. I think it's basically a commentary on how difficult it is to break abuse cycles. Sirius is abused by his parents (alluded to at least) Kreacher is abused systematically. To align Kreacher with the 'goodies' he needed to be treated with respect. Molly couldn't do it, as a 'blood traitor' he wouldn't listen. Nor Harry as a half blood. Hermione tried but was in no position to do so. Sirius as the pure blood black stood the most chance but it's notable that he hadn't worked through his own trauma and this was being made worse by Dumbledore's actions. This isn't excusing it, just an explanation. Dumbledore did say they should be kind to Kreacher and recognised the danger, but, being Dumbledore and stuck in his own coping mechanism of withholding information, perhaps failed to show the true danger. It was staring them in the face when Kreacher starts favouring Bellatrix's picture and with all the information he could have figured it out.

I think it's notable that in the end, for Kreacher, the cycle is broken when Regulus shows with actions not words he renounces the true blood maniac. This coupled with Hermione's persistent concern for him and Harry's actions on discovering what happened in the cave meant he was able to see her as worthy after being brainwashed for so long.

unintended101 · 03/05/2024 11:20

NonPlayerCharacter · 03/05/2024 09:07

Jo, we know you lurk here (or maybe you post, who knows?)...can you post that genius line on X?

Please please please please. Though I'm still rolling from Jo's "They say karma's a bitch, but I hear she's a TERF."

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