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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Are you voting in the next general election purely on the transgender issue?

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TeacherAnonymous123 · 30/04/2024 12:54

Just as the title says really! Is that your only thought about who you'll vote for, or will you look at wider policies? Been getting lots of information through my letter box recently, and none mention it.

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ARichtGoodDram · 30/04/2024 16:48

Some folks are certainly rude and sneery enough on here that they could be politicians!

BonfireLady · 30/04/2024 16:49

ringoffiire · 30/04/2024 16:41

Well you can and will do what you like but it seems unlikely that the random polling station volunteer who might have read your little comment had any particular reach or influence with anyone that mattered, any more than anyone seeing and replying to messages on this forum.

In fact, your comments on this forum are reaching far more of an audience than that ballot paper.

It sounds like it helped to vent your frustration, so good for you I guess - but it was 100% pointless as a way to use your vote.

I'm happy to disagree on whether or not it was pointless. As has been commented above, if there are rising numbers of spoiled ballots this does get noted.
Writing my note and knowing that one person may have read it was an early part in my journey of using my voice outside of an online forum to speak out about the harms that relate to gender identity belief. Finding the courage to speak out IRL (which I do now) has been an important journey for me.

Almahart · 30/04/2024 16:49

No. The Tories have been a fucking disaster for women, can't wait to see the back of them

AstonsDataThief · 30/04/2024 16:50

Almahart · 30/04/2024 16:49

No. The Tories have been a fucking disaster for women, can't wait to see the back of them

Be glad you don’t live in Wales or you would have had to suffer the disaster that is Labour!

TooBigForMyBoots · 30/04/2024 16:50

If you spoil your vote in suffragette colours, they may be picked up by the cameras and commented on.

EasternStandard · 30/04/2024 16:53

AstonsDataThief · 30/04/2024 16:50

Be glad you don’t live in Wales or you would have had to suffer the disaster that is Labour!

I can’t see when you’ll not have Labour, I can see why you feel as you do

BionicBadger · 30/04/2024 16:53

Yes I am

ringoffiire · 30/04/2024 16:55

BonfireLady · 30/04/2024 16:49

I'm happy to disagree on whether or not it was pointless. As has been commented above, if there are rising numbers of spoiled ballots this does get noted.
Writing my note and knowing that one person may have read it was an early part in my journey of using my voice outside of an online forum to speak out about the harms that relate to gender identity belief. Finding the courage to speak out IRL (which I do now) has been an important journey for me.

I'm glad you are more confident now in speaking out about your beliefs.

You're right, spoiled ballots are 'noted' (lumped in amongst those that are null/ void for any other reason) but the fact is that no one gives two hoots about this statistic.

As long as a party are voted in - which they will be - politicians do not really care. They are not going to analyse and reflect on why it happened. And it will be years until you get another chance to utilise your vote.

AutumnCrow · 30/04/2024 16:56

Spoiled ballots ('rejected ballots') are adjudicated by the A(RO) in the presence of the candidates and their agents.

Rejected ballots are currently divided into four sub-categories - want of official mark; voting for more than one candidate; writing or mark by which the voter could be identified; unmarked or void for uncertainty. These are published as part of the election results.

In some city council elections in my area, wards have been won or lost on a handful of votes. There have been hung councils. I know that the Lib Dems, for example, pore over results and data in their target cities and regions - it was one of the tricks that Chris ('Lord') Rennard really pushed hard on. Street by street analyses. Gradually taking over Councils.

Blackcats7 · 30/04/2024 16:57

No. I don’t actually trust any of them on gender ideology as yet. The tories would say the moon is made of cheese if they thought it would get them more votes. Labour have been flip floppy but I have to vote for them to get the tories out so I just have to hope for better things to come on the what is a woman question.
There have been a few cross party mps who have championed women who I admire very much so there is right on both sides in that degree at least.
Obviously would never touch greens with a mouldy barge pole, would not consider lib dems as I still remember the treacherous coalition.

SoundTheSirens · 30/04/2024 16:58

ringoffiire · 30/04/2024 16:47

Well I believe there is always a less bad option.

And I believe that it's better to vote for the option you think is less bad, than try to make some kind of point by spoiling your ballot (because in reality, I don't believe that doing that does make a point at all).

We are all in a shitty situation of having to choose between options that we feel are not quite right. I don't know a single person who actually believes strongly that any politician is going to make big improvements and turn things around.

We are really all in the same boat and I am just trying to urge people to consider voting for what they think it the least bad option, rather than wasting their vote.

YOU believe there is always a less bad option. Not everyone here agrees with you this time around.

You get your vote, to use (or not) as you wish. You, and the other hectoring posters, don't get anyone else's votes, so leave us to do with ours as we will and we'll afford you the same courtesy.

ginasevern · 30/04/2024 17:02

Lostmum1906 · 30/04/2024 13:59

Because Im not, I am a lone parent of a sen child. But I believe in good economics and currently with the gender issues at play, its tipping me in the balance of the Tories as it too is v close to my heart.

A lone parent of a SEN child and you think the Tories are the best bet? Is your grasp of history not very good by any chance.

ringoffiire · 30/04/2024 17:02

SoundTheSirens · 30/04/2024 16:58

YOU believe there is always a less bad option. Not everyone here agrees with you this time around.

You get your vote, to use (or not) as you wish. You, and the other hectoring posters, don't get anyone else's votes, so leave us to do with ours as we will and we'll afford you the same courtesy.

I don't expect everyone to agree with me and am not sure where I said that (in fact, I'm encouraging people to vote, regardless of whether or not I agree with them). I am discussing and challenging people, and being challenged in return, which is fine and expected, especially on a political thread.

I am not being rude or insulting to anyone so I'm not sure why you accuse me of 'hectoring' anyone.

I'm simply responding to posts and stating my view, because that's what a discussion forum is for.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 30/04/2024 17:10

ringoffiire · 30/04/2024 16:47

Well I believe there is always a less bad option.

And I believe that it's better to vote for the option you think is less bad, than try to make some kind of point by spoiling your ballot (because in reality, I don't believe that doing that does make a point at all).

We are all in a shitty situation of having to choose between options that we feel are not quite right. I don't know a single person who actually believes strongly that any politician is going to make big improvements and turn things around.

We are really all in the same boat and I am just trying to urge people to consider voting for what they think it the least bad option, rather than wasting their vote.

Here's a question then.

If nobody strongly believes that any particular party is capable of turning things around, why all the emotional blackmail to get the Tories out at any cost?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 30/04/2024 17:14

AutumnCrow · 30/04/2024 16:56

Spoiled ballots ('rejected ballots') are adjudicated by the A(RO) in the presence of the candidates and their agents.

Rejected ballots are currently divided into four sub-categories - want of official mark; voting for more than one candidate; writing or mark by which the voter could be identified; unmarked or void for uncertainty. These are published as part of the election results.

In some city council elections in my area, wards have been won or lost on a handful of votes. There have been hung councils. I know that the Lib Dems, for example, pore over results and data in their target cities and regions - it was one of the tricks that Chris ('Lord') Rennard really pushed hard on. Street by street analyses. Gradually taking over Councils.

Interesting, thanks.

If it could be a close run thing between the Tories and the Lib Dems in my constituency, a spoiled ballot could tell the Lib Dems exactly why they lost my vote, whereas a vote for the Tories wouldn't.

AutumnCrow · 30/04/2024 17:15

Perhaps the question is, why can the Leader of HM Official Opposition not clearly say that sex is immutable and it matters, and give us a credible Party to vote for gladly?

SammyScrounge · 30/04/2024 17:16

Yes. The railroading children on to the transgender path to mitilation is child abuse as far as I'm concerned.
Schools should be.cleared of transgender materials and activists. No other political group is allowed into schools 9so why they should.is a mystery to me.

zeibesaffron · 30/04/2024 17:18

absolutely not - voting on all manner of policies mostly nhs and education! I am not saying its not important but its only one part of the current issues.

AutumnCrow · 30/04/2024 17:19

It's just odd that Starmer is just chucking so many votes away.

Globe22 · 30/04/2024 17:19

No I’m voting to get the Tories out and so I’ll vote Labour. Gender issues are way down my priority list at present. Also voting Labour in the London elections although that’s mainly to piss off all the right wing wankers like Susan Hall.

Vaccances · 30/04/2024 17:23

I ve voted Tory many times in the past, Thatcher Major, i quite liked Cameron though i did vote LD in 2010.. all far more moderate than the current Tory party.

I understand the TWAW issues but its simply not enough for me n my DD (who is NHS) to even consider the Conservatives.

They ve wrecked everything, poverty DV health and dentistry all worse than in 2010.
They can't even keep tabs on migrants and failed to deport a known isis fighter from Libya and he went on to kill 3 people in Reading, shocking dereliction of duty.

Wales isn't even a separate country, so i don't understand why people bring them into it, they are very much controlled by what Westminster decides & they cannot be that bad, the Welsh have voted Lab back for over 25 years.

CheshireCat1 · 30/04/2024 17:28

No

ScrollingLeaves · 30/04/2024 18:38

RebelliousCow · 30/04/2024 15:08

How many times do I have to tell you I've been spoiling my ballot at a national level for some time?

I'm an ex Labour party member in a rabidly Labour city. My local council was so corrupt and inept the government had to step in and oversee its functions for the last three years. I don't need lectures on politics, nor on how to look at the bigger picture ( I am!)

In the bigger picture - there is not going to be the revolutionary change that many are hoping for. Nationalising the railways might work out well, though...i hope so...but even then Labour have said train fares will not be cheaper.

Edited

I well remember sitting on the floor of a corridor the whole way of a long and very expensive journey to the North - during the time before the railways were privatised.

Also, Lord Beeching axed and wrecked swathes of railway infrastructure in the 1960s ( due to there not being enough money to run them)- all of course before privatisation.

So though the idea of re-nationalising the railways (and water) is certainly seductive, especially if you could sit again in the dining car with a a silver plated tea pot and a China cup and saucer, and bring back the glory of a much loved institution, it might not be easy to bring about the improvements everyone would so love to see.

Previousreligion · 30/04/2024 19:04

No. I'm not a one issue voter and cannot vote for the Conservatives after Brexit, Truss and Boris.

Wherewerewerewear · 30/04/2024 19:17

‘Are you voting in the next general election purely on the transgender issue?’

If you mean are you voting on the women’s and children’s rights issue?

Yes.